We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

Debate House Prices


In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Chancellor's Autumn Statement

1356714

Comments

  • BertieUK wrote: »
    Maybe then scrap the tolls on the Severn Bridge for them, or have I missed your point?

    He refers to the DVLA, who collect all the road tax. They are based in Swansea.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    MouseTrap wrote: »
    He refers to the DVLA, who collect all the road tax. They are based in Swansea.

    Which monitors and administers vehicle registration and driver licensing, in addition road tax, so needs to be paid for somehow.

    It is possible to buy quite acceptable cars with zero or very limited road tax if that is your choice.

    I quite like the idea of being able to influence choice through the road tax system, making it more expensive to have the more anti social cars from an emissions point of view.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • It is possible to buy quite acceptable cars with zero or very limited road tax if that is your choice..

    Really?

    I need a new car now.

    I need to be able to carry 5 large adults plus luggage in comfort for long journeys, drive around 35000 miles per year, much of it on back roads and in wintry weather, so 4 wheel drive is helpful and a reasonably powerful engine is important for passing safely on rural roads.

    Kindly list the cars I can get with no road tax that meet that criteria.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Intoodeep
    Intoodeep Posts: 1,673 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker Mortgage-free Glee!
    BertieUK wrote: »
    Is it possible to scrap Road Tax altogether, then increase the fuel tax to an acceptable level, then the people who use the road would only then pay for what they use?

    Just a thought...

    I have said this for years, do away with Road Tax, you display a car insurance disc and the ££££'s is put on the price of fuel, so if you use, you pay, just too simple I suppose, so NO Road Tax avoidance, and if they can run a vehicle without fuel ;) they will become very rich , very quickly.
  • Road_Hog
    Road_Hog Posts: 2,749 Forumite
    1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 5 December 2012 at 7:22PM
    BertieUK wrote: »
    Is it possible to scrap Road Tax altogether, then increase the fuel tax to an acceptable level, then the people who use the road would only then pay for what they use?

    Just a thought...

    Because people would get their driving even more down to reduce costs. At the moment they can't do that, even if the car is only used at the weekends, they pay the full whack.

    Despite what politicians tell you, they don't want you to cut emissions, just pay more tax.

    There was some discussion just before the last GE, that they might sychronise traffic lights so that vehicles spent less time travelling and less emissions. The reason it had been done as it was, was to keep maximum contributions to HMRC.
  • Road_Hog
    Road_Hog Posts: 2,749 Forumite
    1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    It is possible to buy quite acceptable cars with zero or very limited road tax if that is your choice.

    And if we did that, they'd just increase the bands and do away with the zero band. Just like LPG for cars was cheap on duty, but as people started to switch to LPG, they increased the duty.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Road_Hog wrote: »
    And if we did that, they'd just increase the bands and do away with the zero band. Just like LPG for cars was cheap on duty, but as people started to switch to LPG, they increased the duty.

    I know and if they ran on fresh air they would find some way to charge us. Road pricing and black boxes coming soon.

    At £100 a tank to fill up the RFL is becoming less significant any way.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    edited 5 December 2012 at 7:26PM
    Really?

    I need a new car now.

    I need to be able to carry 5 large adults plus luggage in comfort for long journeys, drive around 35000 miles per year, much of it on back roads and in wintry weather, so 4 wheel drive is helpful and a reasonably powerful engine is important for passing safely on rural roads.

    Kindly list the cars I can get with no road tax that meet that criteria.

    You need a special car sir not an acceptable one. I take it you always travel fully laden?

    Very much doubt it is a definitive list. Citroen DS5 would give you most things apart from 4WD.

    http://www.carpages.co.uk/co2/co2-101-to-120-1.asp

    As for safety on wintry roads slow down and drive within your limitations and for overtaking just be patient and only do it when it is safe to do so.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
  • BertieUK
    BertieUK Posts: 1,701 Forumite
    I know and if they ran on fresh air they would find some way to charge us. Road pricing and black boxes coming soon.

    At £100 a tank to fill up the RFL is becoming less significant any way.

    Being retired I do not need to travel to work each day and find that now I only cover 1.500 miles a year which I am finding very expensive, and feel that I am, in part paying a lot for the few miles that I cover, my car is I agree my independence. I could of course sell my car and get a bus pass I suppose.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    BertieUK wrote: »
    Being retired I do not need to travel to work each day and find that now I only cover 1.500 miles a year which I am finding very expensive, and feel that I am, in part paying a lot for the few miles that I cover, my car is I agree my independence. I could of course sell my car and get a bus pass I suppose.

    I know my mother in law is in the same boat. Independence is a big factor.

    Get a bus pass anyway (if they run anywhere useful), might at least save the car park tax.
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.1K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.5K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.2K Spending & Discounts
  • 245.1K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 600.7K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.4K Life & Family
  • 258.9K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.