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Chancellor's Autumn Statement
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Could I just point out that after the war it was the Labour party who were in power and frittered away billions borrowed from the US on trying to retain the Empire.
Churchill didn't get back into power again until 1951 and he was all for Europe. In a speech in Switzerland in 1946 he was all for building a "United States of Europe".
I thought India gained their freedom in 1947?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I thought India gained their freedom in 1947?
India gained independence in 1947 but the British Empire encompassed a lot more than just India. At the time the UK had over 2 million men with respective bases/fleets/air squadrons scattered around the globe.
By the end of 1947 the dollar loan from the US which was in excess of $3.5 billion was largely spent. This was over and above what the UK received under the Marshal plan in 1947. Under the Marshal Plan the UK actually received more that Germany.
The government at the time rather than invest in replacing the old outdated industries/infrastructure as Germany did, spent it in the main on maintaining the UKs global presence and on welfare schemes. Industry/infrastructure was given a low priority
Keynes the government economic adviser at the time warned against this saying it was unsustainable, but politicians who just happened to be Labour ignored him preferring to think of the UK as a global power."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
The problem is it is class war. I'm sorry you can't take the emotion out of politics. That's the whole point. Politics is war by other means, (whatever century you are in). I think someone famous actually said that LOL.
It says it all. Privileged Tories. Eton products, everyone of them. Suprise suprise, they all rise to the top. Again and again we see that power and influence in this country is controlled by a narrow network of individuals who generally tend to come from the same class and move in the same circles. That is simply unfair and needs to change. What is also so shocking but seems to pass unoticed is actual support for the Tories is hemhorrhaging in the North, Wales and Scotland. They rule due to their power base in the home counties. They can no longer call themselves a national party.
Labelling others from the safety of your computer is pretty low imo.....is this the 'intelligent discussion' you were talking about. This is what the tories are good at. They appeal to the lowest common demoninator emotions. They press those red buttons of anger that we all feel towards those who are 'getting something for nothing', the 'lazy' '!!!!less' 'asylum seekers' etc. They always have and always will and the self righteous Daily Mail types lap it up every morning in their armchairs. Osborne said in a recent speech ....how he was standing up for those who get up in the morning and go to work....while their benefit claiming neighbours lay in bed. He knew exactly what he was doing. Its partisan, low and divisive. A true leader would not do that. They would try to unify and look for common ground. Christmas is here....I recommend reading some Dickens. He called it right about how the workhouses would be used to cow the !!!!less.
Is this the same Churchill who turned the guns on the South Wales miners during the General Strike, who sent thousands of Australian troops to their deaths at Gallipoli, who thought we could continue with our 'Empire' after the war instead of having a bigger say in Europe....thereby leaving it to DeGaulle and the emerging German democracy to sew it all up.
Has it ever crossed your mind that Churchills scorn for the intelligence of the average voter might be because Churchill represented an elite whose whole political objective was to keep the average voter in his/her place??? Can't you see that?
Immature idiot.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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Keynes the government economic adviser at the time warned against this saying it was unsustainable, but politicians who just happened to be Labour ignored him preferring to think of the UK as a global power.
Good job it wasn't Winston in charge then, he wouldn't have bothered with the Welfare state it would have all gone on keeping down the natives in the Empire :eek: The Tories still lament the loss of Empire
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Good job it wasn't Winston in charge then, he wouldn't have bothered with the Welfare state it would have all gone on keeping down the natives in the Empire :eek: The Tories still lament the loss of Empire
Churchill was one of the architects of the welfare state, He was implementing social and welfare reform from about 1909 onwards.."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
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Churchill was one of the architects of the welfare state, He was implementing social and welfare reform from about 1909 onwards..
Maybe the is some credence to that early on, certainly not after 1945, the voters certainly were aware of that.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Maybe the is some credence to that early on, certainly not after 1945, the voters certainly were aware of that.
The 1945 defeat was more down to war weariness and rumours that he wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union. Something that would have been impossible as the USA had no further desire for war.
He was re-elected in 1951, that in spite of pretty dire tactics by the Labour party."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
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The 1945 defeat was more down to war weariness and rumours that he wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union. Something that would have been impossible as the USA had no further desire for war.
He was re-elected in 1951, that in spite of pretty dire tactics by the Labour party.
That would be the landslide win for Labour in 1945.
The one when Churchill claimed that Attlee would run a Gestapo estate. I doubt if we need lectures on "dire tactics" from Tories.
(see also 64 election campaign in Smethick).
Churchill was the greatest of wartime leaders, but a failure as Chancellor of the Exchequer (by his own admission, the return to the gold standard in 1925 was an unmitigated disaster) and a hopeless peacetime postwar PM and shadow (other than building houses).US housing: it's not a bubble - Moneyweek Dec 12, 20050
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