Tony Benn slams BBC on air for "capitulating to Israeli pressure"

The_White_Horse

I think you should remember that almost every day of this conflict, Israel has provided 124 trucks full of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

The tragedy of this situation is that when the UN offered the two state solution in 1947 the arabs rejected it. that is what has lead them to be in the position they are in now. they wasted 60 odd years because of that decision.

The_White_Horse

ILW wrote: »

They did not order airstrikes on Dublin.

read this: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100190047/would-britain-react-like-israel-has-to-a-few-rockets-yes-we-would-and-we-have-before/

and there is no reason why they would air strike Dublin. But if the Irish Govt were firing rockets from Dublin into Liverpool or Manchester (or London) you can bet there would be instant retaliation.

ILW

The_White_Horse wrote: »

I think you should remember that almost every day of this conflict, Israel has provided 124 trucks full of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

The tragedy of this situation is that when the UN offered the two state solution in 1947 the arabs rejected it. that is what has lead them to be in the position they are in now. they wasted 60 odd years because of that decision.

Why would they have accepted it?

It was a state set up by Europeans with no consultation or negotiation on land that was already occupied.

The_White_Horse

sweetpea26 wrote: »

There is quite difference. The IRA were not sanctioned/funded/authorised by the Irish Government and had no support from the said government. There is absolutely no comparison.

i don't understand what you are saying.

i know that. They weren't funded by the Govt, but yet the UK still took very large steps in the fight against them.

Hamas IS the voted in Govt of Gaza.

sweetpea26

Of course they took steps to deter/fight them but it was a terrorist group they were fighting not a legitimate state/government.

So why use Ireland as an example?

The_White_Horse

ILW wrote: »

Why would they have accepted it?

It was a state set up by Europeans with no consultation or negotiation on land that was already occupied.

Land that was controlled by Britain since the early 1900's and by the Turks before that. In fact, it had been occupied since 2000 BC.

Most people fail to understand that there never was a self automous country called Palestine. It is fiction. If there was, tell me who their last leader was? What was the government, what was their currency etc? there is nothing.

The best description I can give is this: A succession of landlords has owned a property. It has had two tenants for quite a long time (differing amounts of time, come and gone etc).

When the landlord leaves, he says "I want you to both have this house and create your home in it". He then splits it. One tenant accepts this and gets on with it. The other says "no" and instantly invades the first tenants part, with all his mates. The first tenant fights the second back into their half - and takes the hallway to act as a buffer.

The first tenant then does up his half of the house and tries to get on and make the best he can of it. The other one sits in his half festering and chucking stones at the first vowing to obliterate the first tenant and take the whole house.

The neighbours say "look at the first tenant, they treat the second one terribly"

simplistic of course, but ultimately correct.

The_White_Horse

sweetpea26 wrote: »

Of course they took steps to deter/fight them but it was a terrorist group they were fighting not a legitimate state/government.

So why use Ireland as an example?

because Hamas is a terrorist organisation and is NOW the voted in Govt.

I'm sure if the IRA were elected into power, the UK Govt would have gone to town on them.

sweetpea26

you still have not answered the question....there is no comparison with Ireland.

The IRA would never have been voted in so find another country as an example.

The_White_Horse

sweetpea26 wrote: »

you still have not answered the question....there is no comparison with Ireland.

The IRA would never have been voted in so find another country as an example.

Ok, Nazi Germay. When they blitzed London, this country retaliated.

GeorgeHowell

We (the UK) made the big mistake by shipping large numbers of refugees to Palestine at the end of the war -- instead of to Germany where they should have gone -- and then acceding to Palestine's independence demands.

However most Israelis would have been born there since then, so you can't expect them to worry unduly about that.

The Palestinians elected what is essentially a terrorist organisation as its so-called government -- another big mistake. So Israel imposed a blockade to stop it arming itself up too much. In retaliation for the blockade it sends missiles into Israel. Israel retaliates. It's kindergarten politics tragically played out in the real world with real weapons.

One day these Arab countries just might be too affluent, educated, and sophisticated to want to mess about with all this lunacy, like most developed western democracies are for the most part, among themselves. But until then this savage, ignorant tribalism will not abate. I doubt that anyone reading this will live to see it resolved.

The BBC like most lefties usually takes the anti-Israel stance because that is the anti-American stance. If Wedgwood Benn -- the former Lord Stansgate : member of the landed aristocracy -- is too left even for the BBC then it probably says more about him than them. All news outlets would do well not to give that preposterous old windbag air-time.