Parking Charge Notice

taffy056

It depends how militant you are, if you are after a quiet life it should be ignored.

wolfgirl

thanks again everyone for your help. the example letter is very different to the one i had played out in my head - i was coming from the angle of sending a letter with a copy of my till receipt to prove i had not broken the 'contract' that way!

RENEGADE_2

wolfgirl wrote: »

thanks again everyone for your help. the example letter is very different to the one i had played out in my head - i was coming from the angle of sending a letter with a copy of my till receipt to prove i had not broken the 'contract' that way!

The thing is by doing that, it accedes to their authority and this is a position into which you don't have to lower yourself. You're saying, "here look, I never breached your contract - but I admit that if I didn't have this receipt, I would have done". Whereas you are actually informing them that you know their game to be a scam and that you know they have no authority!

Phrase it my way and you won't admit the incident happened, you'll have named nobody PLUS you haven't denied anything either!

Coupon-mad

wolfgirl wrote: »

thanks again everyone for your help. the example letter is very different to the one i had played out in my head - i was coming from the angle of sending a letter with a copy of my till receipt to prove i had not broken the 'contract' that way!

That's because they have hoodwinked you into thinking the piece of paper is a parking ticket because it impersonates one.

So you are thinking 'how can I appeal'.

We are thinking, for those who don't want to just ignore, 'how best can you complain or wind them up because this is all just a scam'.

The whole scam of fake PCNs relies firstly on people's ignorance of the fact that a random private company can't fine anyone, and secondly on their natural fear of parking tickets and the escalating costs/bailiff scenario. So PPCs copy the look of a real parking ticket and - hey presto! - the cash rolls in from victims who know no better.

The signs are irrelevant, there was no contract with you - and you do not have to prove anything at all to these scammers.

Tick off the threatening letters here.

Watchdog clip with expert Solicitor's opinion here.

Barrister's opinion - read the answer at the bottom, it's very clear! - here.

There is no fine, no CCJ, no bailiff, no debt, no effect on credit rating, no Court, no repercussions at all from a pathetic, unenforceable fake PCN (= invoice) issued by a random third party.

THE MORE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN IN WRITING TO SUPERMARKET HEAD OFFICES ABOUT THIS PROTECTION RACKET, RIPPING OFF AND SCARING AWAY THEIR CUSTOMERS, THE BETTER.

TYH_2

Thanks Coupon-mad!

I hope it pleases all of you to hear that yesterday I was close to just paying it, and trust me, I am not made of money.

Now, not at all.

So many really useful links, I really appreciate the time taken on this!

Cheers.

RENEGADE_2

TYH wrote: »

Thanks Coupon-mad!

I hope it pleases all of you to hear that yesterday I was close to just paying it, and trust me, I am not made of money.

Now, not at all.

So many really useful links, I really appreciate the time taken on this!

Cheers.

KEEP THE CONFIDENCE. They cannot touch you, their demand is not legal.

wolfgirl

As you can see i am new to this forum, but i have been completely overwhelmed by the support and advice people have given me since i signed up.

i was so worried about this initially but all the help offered by you guys has settled me. It also made me militant to make sure other people do not get stressed or out of pocket from these con artists in the future!

:beer:

peter_the_piper

What the ppc does not seem to realise, to their cost soon, is that if they had said, ok pay for 2 tickets as you are across 2 bay, pay the extra hour, two etc for an overstay etc then this forum would be out of business cos we would all pay. Its the bill for £100 for the above thay keeps us going.

trisontana

peter_the_piper wrote: »

What the ppc does not seem to realise, to their cost soon, is that if they had said, ok pay for 2 tickets as you are across 2 bay, pay the extra hour, two etc for an overstay etc then this forum would be out of business cos we would all pay. Its the bill for £100 for the above thay keeps us going.

But so would the PPC be out of business. It's only by charging these high sums that they manage to make a profit. Reduce to sum to the actual loss suffered by the landowner and there would be no profit at all.

ManxRed

The PPC's profit should be paid by the landowner in fees, if they value their car parks that much.

The 'fines' should then match actual losses incurred.

No problem then.

No PPC will ever approach a landowner with a 'you'll need to pay us a fee' model, while other PPCs exist that will do it for free.

Its only when they all sink by virtue of this website and others increasing the public's perception and their revenues go down, or they hoist themselves by their own petard on some legal ruling (like VCS v HMRC). Or a combination of both.