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Motorists - What annoys you most about cyclists
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Heliflyguy wrote: »And as if by magic.
Well I would expect that it was considered that it would be safer for the cyclist on that stretch of road, are there other reasons that you know of?
well I know many that are at least impractical or others that are downright dangerous.
How about the one passing Edinburgh Airport.
It leaves the road,goes downhill to a large multi lane roundabout,which after dealing with that has the cyclists climbing up a hill on the road to very busy A road.
Or coming from the other side. there is a bike lane that simply stops with no signs,leaving cyclists to turn around or cross 4 lanes of traffic to reach the other side and guess where they should go next.
or the shared use paths along Saughton that bring you down to junctions at each intersection with no marked routes and narrow paths. pedestrians and bikes are simply supposed to find some path through them
On the same paths,Edinburgh council has created cattle grid style paving stones that are an accident waiting to happen.
Then you get to the real gem. how often do you see those paths being gritted vs the roads?
I live near the N1 bike route,the irony being i had my 'accident' with the taxi because the N1 was covered in ice(as it had been for days) so the road was the sensible choice0 -
Because when I commuted up to Central London by train and then crossed this junction as a pedestrian I would at least once a week see cyclists do that when pedestrians were already crossing!This cyclist inconvenienced nobody. Can you explain why you get annoyed enough to object to this?
Many (maybe most) do, but not all. Shall we add the whiny attitude of "but motorists are worse" to the list of annoyances?Bear in mind that cycling through red lights is a lesser offence (in terms of punishment) than speeding, which every motorist does.
Now there's something about that up thread isn't there... Oh yeah!The consequences to you of any significant lapse on their part would be minimal, a need to brake or manoeuvre, at worst some minor damage.
So that only works one way does it?If you pull out from a junction and in doing so force another road user to alter course or speed, that is 'careless driving'. You must agree such a move with other road users, who will mostly accommodate your predicament.
Since I'm lucky enough to be in bed at 2am, I've never seen it. At 8am (the time of the video clip), I've seen bikes do it on a regular basis (wouldn't be surprised if it was the same cyclists doing it daily). Any car doing that would be on Police Camera Action next series...So no car goes through red lights like 'that'?
better tell that to the pug 406 driver this am (around 2am) who did just that.
or maybe I was seeing things?I need to think of something new here...0 -
Since I'm lucky enough to be in bed at 2am, I've never seen it. At 8am (the time of the video clip), I've seen bikes do it on a regular basis (wouldn't be surprised if it was the same cyclists doing it daily). Any car doing that would be on Police Camera Action next series...
I would like to be in bed too.
unfortunately after 11 months,Im still trying to fix the damage thanks to the taxi0 -
There is a miserable minority who simply resent cyclists, they don't have a reason. They're just miserable people. Unfortunately some of them drive and take their resentment with them. Most of my cycling is on cycle routes and towpaths. I would regularly slow to walking pace and politely say "excuse me" only to be glared at and told I should buy a bell. I bought a bell, now I just get glared at. As a capable motorist I understand how the roads work. While cycling it becomes very annoying to be repeatedly put at risk by motorists who are outraged at every minor misdemeanor by cyclists but will happily overtake at speed, dangerously close and consider this acceptable. I don't support pushy, aggressive cyclist. But unlike motorists, they are generally just a danger to themselves.to be honest there are far too many !!!! drivers on Britain's roads for me to be annoyed at cyclists. I've nearly been taken out twice in 2 weeks by people entering a roundabout in the left lane (for left or straight on only) and cutting round the front of me to turn right. lost track of how many morons dont have correct lights on, or any lights at all. see too many people driving with a phone pressed to their ear, or worse, eyes down texting. before motorists criticise cyclists i think we need to look at our own driving standards before we kill someone on a bike...
The time and expense of taxing, insuring and licensing cyclists is massively disproportionate to any benefits it would provide.0 -
The consequences to you of any significant lapse on their part would be minimal, a need to brake or manoeuvre, at worst some minor damage.NBLondon wrote:But what annoys me most about some cyclists is the loss of the archaic skills called "looking over shoulder" and "signalling".
Regular cyclists regularly expect just such failures from car drivers, and must accommodate them in their cycling plan - it goes with the territory. If they don't, they're dead!
Given the dramatic difference in potential outcomes for similar failures in each camp, I think most cyclist's attitudes to this imbalance is remarkably restrained!
No the consequence is a death on my conscience which I REALLY would rather not have. I DO leave plenty of space and I DO watch them like a hawk when overtaking but to see such blatant disregard for their own safety does !!!! me off and amaze me at the same time.
There are lots of drivers I see that don't leave space and a manoeuver of one cyclist overtaking another would put them under the car's wheels, a quick shoulder check would prevent that IMO. There's no excuse for not taking responsibility for your own safety in this scenario.0 -
Norman_Castle wrote: »There is a miserable minority who simply resent cyclists, they don't have a reason. They're just miserable people. Unfortunately some of them drive and take their resentment with them. Most of my cycling is on cycle routes and towpaths. I would regularly slow to walking pace and politely say "excuse me" only to be glared at and told I should buy a bell. I bought a bell, now I just get glared at. As a capable motorist I understand how the roads work. While cycling it becomes very annoying to be repeatedly put at risk by motorists who are outraged at every minor misdemeanor by cyclists but will happily overtake at speed, dangerously close and consider this acceptable. I don't support pushy, aggressive cyclist. But unlike motorists, they are generally just a danger to themselves.
The time and expense of taxing, insuring and licensing cyclists is massively disproportionate to any benefits it would provide.
yeah I always think its less abrupt to speak, than use the bell
I find the bells a bit "get out the way",plus some folks jump when they hear the bell,despite being a long way back from them0 -
No-one wants to have a death on their conscience even if completely blameless.No the consequence is a death on my conscience which I REALLY would rather not have. I DO leave plenty of space and I DO watch them like a hawk when overtaking but to see such blatant disregard for their own safety does !!!! me off and amaze me at the same time.
Cyclists are generally much more aware and alert than you give them credit for. Often the motorist sees them late, and gets caught by surprise, perhaps because they have made a quick jump over a give way line which they have already judged to be clear. This is borne out by the remarkably low fatality stats in which 'cyclist error' was the sole cause of the fatality.There are lots of drivers I see that don't leave space and a manoeuver of one cyclist overtaking another would put them under the car's wheels, a quick shoulder check would prevent that IMO. There's no excuse for not taking responsibility for your own safety in this scenario.
Cyclits may want to quickly avoid something in the road, like a piece of glass or stone, but can't because they hear someone close behind, possibly about to pass very close. Quick shoulder checks are not a good idea when a car is close behind because it is not always easy to keep the steering absolutely straight when checking behind. A good ear is better.Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.0 -
This cyclist inconvenienced nobody. Can you explain why you get annoyed enough to object to this? Bear in mind that cycling through red lights is a lesser offence (in terms of punishment) than speeding, which every motorist does.
A child could have crossed the road and the cyclist would not have seen him.Cyclists are generally much more aware and alert than you give them credit for.
Didn't seem like it in that video.0 -
Wrong.A child could have crossed the road and the cyclist would not have seen him.
Didn't seem like it in that video.brat wrote:Cyclists are generally much more aware and alert than you give them credit for.
I think you've just made my point.
Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.0
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