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Motorists - What annoys you most about cyclists
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I lost a court case with a cyclist just after my first year of driving. It was winter and I'd just left work at about 9pm. I knew I had a bit of a drive so, switched the car on, put on me lights, put on the blower and let it sit to warm up. Bear in mind, I hadn't moved at this point.
I was rumaging around for a CD I wanted to listen to and a cyclist slammed straight into the side of the bonnet. I got out, realised what happened and did the standard fare of making sure he was ok and offered to call him an ambulance. We exchanged details and I informed my insurnace company to get the massive dent in my car fixed.
It turned out the cyclist was claiming me at fault and was suing for major damages. It went to court and was voted in his favour. Because my car was running and I was not in control of it instead looking for a compact disk, I was driving without due care, despite having not actually moved the car at this point a single inch.
My lesson was that in every instance, the car driver is at fault. So damn right, I give cyclists all the room they need to be morons!
That's ridiculous! Did the cyclist have any lights? And wonder how it would of panned out had it been another car that had hit you!
Your legal representation obviously wasn't up to much on the day.PLEASE NOTEMy advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.0 -
You can argue for compulsory insurance for cyclists, I’d agree that they should have insurance. You could argue for a test. Again I have no personal issue with that. You could argue for VED. If I have to pay tax to cycle, I would, but I don’t have to.brat wrote:Ah, so you accept your VED argument totally and utterly fails at the earliest examination. Good! Let's bin it now.
No it doesn't "fails at the earliest examination", just that is the way it is now, IMO all vehicles should pay a form of tax to use the roads, either that or no one pays and we fund them out of general taxation.
This is a thread about cyclists annoying motorists and as such is not political and as such this being an open forum we can all have our views, even yours, and they are required to adhere to the Highway Code, but most don't.
And to say "I can't get a cycle licence, because there isn't such a thing." is ridiculous, there did not used to be a car licence, but there is now!
These issues should not be anti cyclist. They are political issues that you obviously feel require political solutions. If you feel strongly enough about them, talk to Dave. You shouldn’t berate cyclists about them.
Cyclists are prosecuted. Often local policing groups will target cyclists, either because of a recognised problem, or a complaint.
Do you really think so? The difference is most of those motorists will be prosecuted, the cyclists that commit road traffic offences won't.brat wrote:I'm sure that the 'cyclists' you refer to will stop doing those things you don't like as soon as you 'motorists' stop driving drunk, unlicensed and uninsured.
The illegal cyclists you describe annoy me too, but perhaps in a slightly different way from you. They annoy me because they give ammunition to motorists to make them feel that cyclists are a road using sub-species, and this attitude makes me feel less safe on the road.
I think cyclists annoy you for a different reason to what you might identify. I think you get annoyed because they can go through red lights and on the pavement to get to their destination more quickly, while you can’t.
It’s simple jealousy, not any altruistic safety concern.Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.0 -
That's ridiculous! Did the cyclist have any lights? And wonder how it would of panned out had it been another car that had hit you!
Your legal representation obviously wasn't up to much on the day.
Or we're only getting one side of the story...Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.0 -
Or we're only getting one side of the story...
I can assure you that's the story in its entirety. I didn't notice if the bike had lights or not, I wasn't try to look out of a fogged-up windscreen or window. I was waiting for my QuickClear to do its job
And I was more concerned about the boy who was obviously in a state of stress having just hit me!
In any case, my insurance legal team were on my side and were equally as flabbergasted by the judgement. In my limited experience, insurance companies don't go to the trouble of going up the steps unless they think there's a reasonable chance of winning!
Either way, I'm glad I had the legal cover. My premiums went up, which was rather unwelcome being a young driver, but such is life.
As the judge said (not verbatim). I was in charge of a motor vehicle and I was not paying due attention and therefore was not in a position to prevent the accident, as I was looking for a CD at the time. My honesty killed me there, I think! It's the same deal if you're over the limit and sitting in the driver's seat of a running car. You're still drunk driving even if you have no intention to drive and just trying to use the car's heater. No experience of that myself, of course! More a story relayed to me some time ago of a drunk guy, having lost his house keys, sat in his friend's running car to warm up while he was running off for a spare from a relative who lived over the road.0 -
You never asked that, you asked how it would be enforced, to which my answer is the same. it needs setting up, as the driving test was set up when it was decided there was to be one as prior to it being set up there wasn't one!
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you still havent given any answers
cars have a number plate,this relates to the car,not the driver
So I assume you will be bringing in a registration scheme?
If so will this be for every new bike? in which case what about all the other bikes?
If its for all bikes,how are you going to do that?
Will there be an L plate system?
will those with car/bike licences be exempt,fast tracked or under the same set up?
The driving licence was introduced with no test in 1903
The compulsery test didnt come in until 1935
this was brought in due toThis presented an increasingly hazardous situation. In 1934 the highest ever numbers of road casualties - 7,343 deaths and 231,603 injuries - were recorded (this
compares with 2,538 deaths and 228,367 injuries in 2008).
At that point there were around 2.5 million cars on the road
looking around,theres around 3.7 million bikes sold a year
key in existing bikes and its a massive number.
So how are you setting up this system and what problems does it solve that arent already covered by existing laws?0 -
You can argue for compulsory insurance for cyclists, I’d agree that they should have insurance. You could argue for a test. Again I have no personal issue with that. You could argue for VED. If I have to pay tax to cycle, I would, but I don’t have to.
These issues should not be anti cyclist. They are political issues that you obviously feel require political solutions. If you feel strongly enough about them, talk to Dave. You shouldn’t berate cyclists about them.
They maybe political but not as far as I am concerned re this thread!
Cyclists are prosecuted. Often local policing groups will target cyclists, either because of a recognised problem, or a complaint.
But there does not have to be a complaint for motorists to be prosecuted for the same offences cyclists commits on a daily basis! Red light cameras as an example.
The illegal cyclists you describe annoy me too, but perhaps in a slightly different way from you. They annoy me because they give ammunition to motorists to make them feel that cyclists are a road using sub-species, and this attitude makes me feel less safe on the road.
That is where some form of identifying them comes in, at the moment they are practically untouchable.
I think cyclists annoy you for a different reason to what you might identify. I think you get annoyed because they can go through red lights and on the pavement to get to their destination more quickly, while you can’t.
It’s simple jealousy, not any altruistic safety concern.
Nothing to do with jealousy or getting to a destination faster, just the fact that they are, mostly never accountable for there actions!
Example here, cyclist goes through 2 red lights after they have been at red for over 30 seconds.
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Don`t steal - the Government doesn`t like the competition0 -
That is rubbish - if you were parked then you were in complete control of the vehicle. Further, unless you were parked illegally you did had every right to be there. Any cyclist who can't spot a parked car and runs into it should have his handlebars confiscated!I lost a court case with a cyclist just after my first year of driving. It was winter and I'd just left work at about 9pm. I knew I had a bit of a drive so, switched the car on, put on me lights, put on the blower and let it sit to warm up. Bear in mind, I hadn't moved at this point.
I was rumaging around for a CD I wanted to listen to and a cyclist slammed straight into the side of the bonnet. I got out, realised what happened and did the standard fare of making sure he was ok and offered to call him an ambulance. We exchanged details and I informed my insurnace company to get the massive dent in my car fixed.
It turned out the cyclist was claiming me at fault and was suing for major damages. It went to court and was voted in his favour. Because my car was running and I was not in control of it instead looking for a compact disk, I was driving without due care, despite having not actually moved the car at this point a single inch.
My lesson was that in every instance, the car driver is at fault. So damn right, I give cyclists all the room they need to be morons!0 -
Also, how does this make the scenario of rear end shunts the fault of the 'shunter'? According to that judgement, it would be the fault of the stationary driver in such circumstances then. Ridiculous.PLEASE NOTEMy advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.0
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you still havent given any answers
cars have a number plate,this relates to the car,not the driver
So I assume you will be bringing in a registration scheme?
If so will this be for every new bike? in which case what about all the other bikes?
If its for all bikes,how are you going to do that?
Will there be an L plate system?
will those with car/bike licences be exempt,fast tracked or under the same set up?
The driving licence was introduced with no test in 1903
The compulsery test didnt come in until 1935
this was brought in due to
At that point there were around 2.5 million cars on the road
looking around,theres around 3.7 million bikes sold a year
key in existing bikes and its a massive number.
So how are you setting up this system and what problems does it solve that arent already covered by existing laws?
Have you? No you just want the status quo, well things move on, it's called progress and about time cyclists where responsible for their actions as at the moment they are not!
I have answered it, you just choose not to read them, then pose different questions to the previous ones I answer.
It also relates to the registered keeper, (RK), and as such can be used to confirm the driver.
Obviously there would be a registration scheme, and it would be for the owners to register just like any scheme, anyone on the roads after it's inception would,(hopefully), be pulled and prosecuted, just as motorists are now.
How do you think they do it for cars? It would be the same , I doubt all bikes would be registered and/or used as the cost on the owner would have to be weighed up by the owner
Why would anyone be exempt?
It would be up to the government of the day to set up the rules and regs, they may be covered by existing laws, but these laws cannot be exercised due to not being able to identify the rider due to there being no database for cycles!
You really are just an arguemental Luddite who does not want change where cyclists are concerned, (or the Royal Mail for that matter).
.Don`t steal - the Government doesn`t like the competition0 -
Have you? No you just want the status quo, well things move on, it's called progress and about time cyclists where responsible for their actions as at the moment they are not!
I have answered it, you just choose not to read them, then pose different questions to the previous ones I answer.
It also relates to the registered keeper, (RK), and as such can be used to confirm the driver.
Obviously there would be a registration scheme, and it would be for the owners to register just like any scheme, anyone on the roads after it's inception would,(hopefully), be pulled and prosecuted, just as motorists are now.
How do you think they do it for cars? It would be the same , I doubt all bikes would be registered and/or used as the cost on the owner would have to be weighed up by the owner
Why would anyone be exempt?
It would be up to the government of the day to set up the rules and regs, they may be covered by existing laws, but these laws cannot be exercised due to not being able to identify the rider due to there being no database for cycles!
You really are just an arguemental Luddite who does not want change where cyclists are concerned, (or the Royal Mail for that matter).
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deary me,I let the personal insults go the 1st time
now you are digging them out again
shows you don't seem able to handle questions
I don't need to provide answers,its your idea
you originally said you wanted cyclists numbered,now its a database for cycles.
so which is it?
given motorbikes have smaller registration plates than cars,how large do you think those on push bikes would be?
you have an 'idea' that is at best a bureaucratic behemoth to introduce.
you dont even have answers to basic points.0
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