UKPC Parking Ticket

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tiredofbeingmugged wrote: »

protection of freedoms act 2012
proposal to introduce keeper liability for parking charges on private land.
I have read this from the home office web site and does anyone know if this is actually in force as its states from 1st october 2012.
It is actually very clear that the private companies know it is impossible to get the registered keeper to pay fines or the information to be given on the driver responsible so they are appealing themselves.
Should the tickets still be ignored...i have ignored round one of mine.
any information would be great.

In just a month we've been constantly asked about half a dozen times every day about the new law (Protection of Freedoms Act if you want to search for other threads). It has been discussed to death TBH and you could have just searched the forum - but we always reply because it's important that people know that fake PCNs have not suddenly become magically enforceable!

So here's the same old summary yet again :



The registered keeper doesn't 'have to' do anything at all. These fake PCNs are as unenforceable as they ever were - it's just that these scam firms are now able to aim their threatogams at the registered keeper if they are not informed who the driver was.

Big deal...the keeper can still make paper aeroplanes out of them as we always did, just as shown by Tim Cary, the expert Solicitor in this Watchdog clip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA


A SUMMARY:

As far as private parking ticket scams are concerned, for a vehicle where you or family are the registered keeper*:

Any fake PCN issued for an incident up until 30th Sept 2012 = IGNORE IT.

Any fake PCN issued for an incident from 1st October 2012 onwards:

- if you were parked in Scotland or NI = IGNORE IT.

- if your 'ticket' is from a firm who are NOT members of the BPA AOS, or are one of five AOS members currently banned from getting data = IGNORE IT.

- if your 'ticket' is from a non-banned by the DVLA!! AOS member in England/Wales, there are 2 choices:

a) IGNORE IT, as ever, playing snap with the threatograms that match our sticky thread 'PPC letter chains' (near the top of this parking forum),

or

b) Appeal it with help from here in how to word it, and insist on a referral to the POPLA appeals service if it's not cancelled. Costs the PPC £32 plus, costs you nothing, it's not binding on you but it is binding on the PPC. If you do not win your appeal then revert to ignore mode.

This option is for those who want to fight back, cost the PPC money and test the POPLA system whilst also getting their PPC's tactics scrutinised; start by reading threads about POPLA. Recent posters have had great success where their case is clearly a very unfair ticket (such as disabled overstay or slight overlap of a white line, etc.) by using email and wording it not as an appeal but a complaint, and copying in the retailer/landowner to that complaint.

Finally, if anyone gets any fake PCN anywhere in the UK in a retail, cinema, fast food or Supermarket car park then even if you choose to ignore the scammers then COMPLAIN IN WRITING to the CEO of the company on site if you were a customer. Do not appeal to them, complain about this protection racket against their paying ex-customers.

HTH





* it is different for hire/lease/company cars as you could find the fake PCN paid for you! Here is a thread about what to do (whether AOS scheme member or not, you need to appeal to hook the PPC in your direction just in case they find out the lease/company details from a sticker or livery on the vehicle itself).

tiredofbeingmugged

Thanks
I have actually spent hours reading messages but i am only querying because of the dates of this freedoms act which have just been updated.
This is a super source of information.
thanks again for repeating yourselves it really is appreciated.

tiredofbeingmugged

just a quick update.
I am now on my third letter with the usual jargon on it (reading from other peoples quotations).
I am continuing to ignore but what do i do or say if someone actually knocks at my door and says they are bailiffs and challenge me with this ?
thanks in advance

The_Slithy_Tove

tiredofbeingmugged wrote: »

I am continuing to ignore but what do i do or say if someone actually knocks at my door and says they are bailiffs and challenges me with this ?

1. They won't. It's all just scare tactics.
2. A (real) baillif cannot turn up unless you've been taken to court over this (won't happen), you lose (won't happen), and you don't pay what is owed (just too remote to bear thinking about)
3. A debt collector is also highly unlikely to turn up, but if one does, the simple response to them is to **** off (use whatever word you want), and shut the door. They have no powers, cannot enter your property. A more polite apprach is to tell them that the alleged debt is denied, and they must refer it back, then tell them to **** off.

But again, it won't happen.

ManxRed

"Where's your court warrant?"

Followed by a call to your doctor to tell him you have amnesia and you can't remember anything about losing a recent court case.

In other words, it won't happen!

Coupon-mad

tiredofbeingmugged wrote: »

just a quick update.
I am now on my third letter with the usual jargon on it (reading from other peoples quotations).
I am continuing to ignore but what do i do or say if someone actually knocks at my door and says they are bailiffs and challenges me with this ?
thanks in advance

Doesn't happen.

What on earth makes you think that a random company can allege a debt is owed and then send a bailiff round...without winning in Small Claims Court first?!

If that were possible then what's the point of the Courts? Everyone could claim money off anyone by 'sending the boys round'! :rotfl:

tiredofbeingmugged

you are all amazing for your endless answers and patience and i appreciate you all so very much thanks

tiredofbeingmugged

wishing you all the very best christmas ever and a problem free new year.

my third update
recieved a notice of intended litigation letter
same jargon about ignoring them etc and a link to view a selection of ccj of other clients that have ignored or refused to make payment etc.
Should i still ignore ?
thanks everyone who reads this and takes the time and patience to respond.
merry christmas

Sir_Roger_deLodger

tiredofbeingmugged wrote: »

................and a link to view a selection of ccj of other clients that have ignored or refused to make payment etc.
Should i still ignore ?

They make these up. Carry on ignoring and enjoy Christmas.

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tiredofbeingmugged wrote: »

wishing you all the very best christmas ever and a problem free new year.

my third update
recieved a notice of intended litigation letter
same jargon about ignoring them etc and a link to view a selection of ccj of other clients that have ignored or refused to make payment etc.
Should i still ignore ?
thanks everyone who reads this and takes the time and patience to respond.
merry christmas

Yep, ignore it, this is standard stuff, all part of the con.

Play snap with each letter against the link I gave in post #2 above.