landlord wants to come round and collect his mail

propertyman

barnaby-bear wrote: »

Errr so some financial basketcase can't manage their finances, so can't rent a property properly and to advantage themselves financially lets on a basis breaking numerous contracts and exposing the honest tenant to insecurity of tenure (consent to let gives them the tenure)... yes the law should be their to stop crooked landlords, fraudulently renting out something and offering a tenure that doesn't exist..... imo it should be crinimal to jeopardise a tenant's security in this way... if you don't have the funds to let properly you shouldn't be doing it rather than committing fraud...

But yours is a good example of this type of post.

Why is a person a "basket case" if their job was closed and there is no comparable post, or that the market has adjudicated the salaries due to competition for the job?

Similarly their security is not threatened in any way they are secure for the term and even in repossessions courts are supportive of that, particularly bearing in mind the time period.

Besides thinking it through

a; you don't know ( ask or care, even if you should) the landlord's position when you rent
b; are likely in a position of risk anyway and so
b: would only force the issue that you fear by insisting on post being changed

You by implication suggest that the landlord not skirt the letter of the law and take the loss and hit for circumstances that were outside their control.

harsh dude harsh

propertyman

Fire_Fox wrote: »

I was quite clear under what limited circumstances I suggested e-mail and how I believe they can be utilised, that of course assumes you read the post before pontificating.

As usual articulate well intentioned but occasionally wrong.

Your "limited circumstances" my be well thought out but I was suggesting that what is rational is not necessarily legal, nor in the places that you think.

Carry on reading and you will soon see.

It also comes from ownership of over 200 student properties until 2009 and the necessary steps by both popularities required to use text and email as methods of enforceable notification and service.

tbs624

propertyman - the OP doesn't need to hear your persistent bleats about why a LL might be wanting to have his personal mail sent to the tenanted property, which is now by definition the home address of the paying T.

If the LL wishes to try to deceive others into believing he personally resides at the property for which he has relinquished occupation (in return for those very useful rent payments) then he could still set up a mail redirection service via the RM. Problem solved.

skivenov

Fire_Fox wrote: »

1. Texting and Facebook are for one's mates
2. Not easy to use in court, not mentioned in any of the legislation
3. Landlord is supposed to give notice of proposed visits
4. People regularly change mobile numbers and lose phones
5. Text messages and letters are not the only forms of communication
6. It costs money to text if they don't have a contract/ can pretend they ran out of credit.

IMO e-mail for quick, semi formal communication (ie. not serving of notices). If you have a student house you likely have three or more tenants, all of whom have daily access to e-mail and probably two addresses - uni and private - if you set it up to message the addresses as a group (six addresses for three tenants) with one click they cannot reasonably say that they didn't receive the message, you can easily keep a copy in a folder and print for court/ deposit service/ guarantor. I believe you can set up delivery reports or read reports but don't ask me how!

Dear Mr Student

I have arranged for a locksmith to come round this afternoon to repair your broken back door lock. You are indeed correct, this does pose a hazard in the event of a fire. Please don't sue me.

Due to postal delays, I have now rescheduled that for next wednesday.

Please RSVP if this is not convenient and we will arrange a more suitable day.

-vs-

Good Morning - I've spoken to a locksmith about your back door. He can come round this afternoon. LMK if that's a problem and we'll reschedule. Regards.....

-vs-

Wonder if they got my emails? Sent 2 to all 4 of them and not heard anything back. They've got a right to peaceful enjoyment and I hate them getting disturbed for something they don't know about.

-vs- "This is the voicemail service for....." or trying to have a conversation with someone who you just woke up and who's got a monster hangover

tbs624

skivenov - do stop taking the thread off topic. The OP is not talking about repairs at their rented property or about your preferred method of contacting your own Ts to arrange for urgent repairs

They are talking about their own LL repeatedly contacting them to arrange to collect the LL's personal mail arriving at the tenanted property.

cwcw

propertyman wrote: »

Mine is a qualified legal view I certainly don't give a lot of credence to the author and their left wing perspective, nor misleading and pandering to urban myths. Your post proves that, and my earlier post explains the correct legal position quiet enjoyment harassment and access are competing rights- which one wins depends on the circumstances in each case.

Asking to call and collect mail could well be both H and QE breaches, a LL would be pressed to provide good reason for that. Where the odd letter inevitably will still arrive it's not, calling every day or week for regular collections arguably is.

The landlord is free to enter, the tenant has the right to refuse or obtain the remedies. Who wins depends on why access was needed. its wrong to conclude " you can't come in" which many would look at such a site and take away.

What I was at pains to do was to get the stampy McCains to think about such their narrow and prejudiced view, based on a faulty premise - that typical of such mindsets, that there is only one way to evaluate things.

Scenario: take an owner who loses job and new job pays nowhere near as much. The only option is to let, but losing a fixed rate and converting to a BLT means that would not add up either. A sale would result in a loss.

While living in an HMO or as a sharer, they manage to make ends meet just but need to still have certain mail sent to the house.

Many posters don't understand that is the case for more than a few landlords and lack the imagination or empathy, or broader world view, that it is feasible that a tenant might take a sympathetic view and live with the odd interruption or make a practical solution.

Or that if some of the posters were their tenant they would rightly fear that they would "put them in it " on some point of meritless principle.

The law is there to protect people from the drawer riflers and weekday snoopers up to the real troublemakers.

While it can, it need not be applied to someone who might be in a bind and needs a little help. That in law is known as equity.

Ah, the poor landlord. We may also see the same landlord robbing an old lady's handbag on the high street - let's turn a blind eye to illegal behaviour though, we wouldn't want the poor landlord to default on his (fraudulent) mortgage.

cwcw

propertyman wrote: »

Besides thinking it through

a; you don't know ( ask or care, even if you should) the landlord's position when you rent
b; are likely in a position of risk anyway and so
b: would only force the issue that you fear by insisting on post being changed

Reminds me of that song...... A, B, B, it's as easy as 1, 2, 2.

Fire_Fox

So if the tenant politely asks the landlord to redirect his business mail he is at high risk of a section 21, BUT if the communal lift breaks down for two weeks the tenant should threaten to withhold rent for two days a month and is not at risk of a section 21. One is the direct result of the landlord being lazy/ tight, the other is not his fault: not really seeing the logic in the suggestions. :think:

Callie22

It always amazes me how many landlords are quite happy for their post to go to their tenanted properties. Given that most seem to think that tenants are the scum of the earth, why would they want all of their personal and financial information being delivered straight into the hands of these devils?

real1314

Fire_Fox wrote: »

1. Texting and Facebook are for one's mates - That's just opinion
2. Not easy to use in court, not mentioned in any of the legislation Letters are not mentioned in legislation. The usual terminology is "in writing" - which is now accepted as email, and given that texts can and have been used in evidence, could also feasibly include texts
3. Landlord is supposed to give notice of proposed visits Yes, which can be in writing, or verbal
4. People regularly change mobile numbers and lose phones Reguarly? Wow. I'd suggest occasionally, but exaggeration helps your point, even though it's just a spurious argument.
5. Text messages and letters are not the only forms of communication erm, well done.
6. It costs money to text if they don't have a contract/ can pretend they ran out of credit. Where do I get the free stamps that you seem to have an endless supply of? You've rather shot yourself in both feet with this one - it costs more to send a letter by any sort of evidential route than it does to send a text/email

IMO e-mail for quick, semi formal communication (ie. not serving of notices). If you have a student house you likely have three or more tenants, all of whom have daily access to e-mail and probably two addresses - uni and private - if you set it up to message the addresses as a group (six addresses for three tenants) with one click they cannot reasonably say that they didn't receive the message, you can easily keep a copy in a folder and print for court/ deposit service/ guarantor. I believe you can set up delivery reports or read reports but don't ask me how!

You're clearly talking on a subject that you have limited knowledge of, and even areas where you should have knowledge are failing to apply the same degree of judgement to both sides of the argument, displaying your inherent bias.

Text, email, letter, phone call, face to face are all good methods of communication depending on the content, speed and people involved. You need to get over your obsession with letters. :cool: