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geekinlondon wrote: »I should have said, I don't have a problem with him texting me but if this or any other issue becomes more serious I will put it in writing (on paper).
By the way, I really would prefer him to update his address rather than redirect mail. It's business stuff and I don't want him running a business "based" at my address...
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a. geek
Ask him to get this rectified, you could have all sorts of problems if his business is assessed for business rates or suchlike.Declutterbug-in-progress.⭐️⭐️⭐️ ⭐️⭐️0 -
Your landlord has the right to access the property, whether you are there or not, provided he gives you 24 hours written notice.
Wrong. The tenant has an over riding statutory right to quiet enjoyment and privacy. The landlord can only access the property in a genuine emergency. In any other cases (inspections, viewings, collecting post, rifling around underwear drawers, etc), he must first get CONSENT and agree a convenient time with a minimum 24 hours notice.
He cannot just give notice and then let himself in anyway regardless of whether or not the tenant agreed. As a preventative measure I would always therefore advocate changing the locks as a matter of course when moving into a rented property, without notifying the landlord or agent. Provided this does not damage the property, and the originals are replaced at the end of the tenancy, the landlord/agent would never find out UNLESS:
1) They illegally tried to gain access without notice, which is a bigger offence than changing the locks
2) Their was a genuine emergency where the tenants were not around, the landlord happened to be passing by, and the emergency services were patient enough to let him open the door with a key before knocking it down.
*NB. Disclaimer: The above is not legal advice so do not take it as such*0 -
Wrong. The tenant has an over riding statutory right to quiet enjoyment and privacy.
That's wrong too. The landlords right to access and the tenants right to quiet enjoyment are competing rights- which ones "wins" depends on the circumstances of each case.
Dropping round for mail can be annoying for some, but if he is doing a dodgy let, then it means two things.
-Life for you gets tougher or you get a section 21 as soon as the term is up.
-Your landlord might be in a situation you dread, under pressure as your or your partners jobs have been cut, which renting out solves, even if it means not telling the lender.
How would you like to be put in by your tenant?
Life is too short- ask for a supply of A4 stamped envelopes or as when we rented temporarily, put a mail box outside and give him a key.Stop! Think. Read the small print. Trust nothing and assume that it is your responsibility. That way it rarely goes wrong.
Actively hunting down the person who invented the imaginary tenure, "share freehold"; if you can show me one I will produce my daughter's unicorn0 -
The implied covenant covering access is pretty specific - it relates to the LL's s11 repairing obligations (LL&TA85) and is solely "for the purpose of viewing their [the premises] condition and state of repair."Your landlord has the right to access the property, whether you are there or not, provided he gives you 24 hours written notice.
That has absolutely nothing to do with a LL seeking to use the T's home as a mailing depot
Deary me. If a LL is acting professionally ( as s/he ought to) then the majority of Ts probably won't object to "inspection" visits, with appropriate advance notice. You *are* however missing the OP's point here - this is not about inspection visits: it's about a LL not sorting his own mail out when he has a considerable length of time in which to do so.I supect that your landlord has purposely directed some of his mail to your address to give him a non-confrontational reason to visit the property to make sure that his business, and his considerably expensive asset, is in good hands. Therefore, I suspect that even if he were to have all of his mail redirected, he would still find a reason to need to visit occassionally, which is a perfectly reasonable request.
Ditto if the T perceives that the LL is resistant to requests to sort out his own alternative mailing address then the T will view the LL as having something to hide.My advice would be to maintain a good friendly relationship with your landlord - it makes his life and yours so much easier. If he is perceiving that you are resistant to his visits, he will become suspicious that you have something to hide, which will make him even more keen to investigate.
And here is the reason that Ts and those of us who are decent LLs get hacked off. You say that you don't get the " big bad wolf" view of LLs but you follow it by highlighting the ultimate imbalance in the level of control in the LL/T relationship. As a LL you will of course know that incurring court costs is not a vital part of the ending of every tenancy agreement yet you flag it up to the OP in what reads mighty like a "get back in your box" manner.I don't understand why tenants seem to see their landlord as the big bad wolf? I'm sure there are some wronguns out there, but most of us are just trying to earn a living. Speak to him and reach a mutually convenient arrangement - he's probaly a decent bloke if you get to know him.
At the end of the day, if you become a sufficient annoyance to him, providing he follows the correct procedure he can quite easily evict you. And, you could be the one footing any court costs. Surely it's far less hassle for both you and him if you are happy that he drops in to pick up some mail once in a while?
The OP/T has not indicated that s/he personally is anything other than a model T and I have to say that IMO any LLwho seeks to end a tenancy agreement simply because a T asks him to sort his personal mail arrangements out absolutely deserves a considerable void period and/or or a new T who proves truly bothersome in far less trivial ways0 -
Perhaps you and all of the people thanking you would be just as accommodating had you bought a house from someone and, TEN months down the line, you were still getting their post and they kept texting you to arrange to come round to collect it from you in person? No? Thought not.
"I want to complain about this banana not tasting like an orange."
Confused? well the post made about as much sense.
Renting is the right to use it for a time, pay the bills and not destroy it- it is not yours. Privacy in itself or in the terms of quiet enjoyment is not absolute.Stop! Think. Read the small print. Trust nothing and assume that it is your responsibility. That way it rarely goes wrong.
Actively hunting down the person who invented the imaginary tenure, "share freehold"; if you can show me one I will produce my daughter's unicorn0 -
Is there some reason they can't use the notices address for their mail, or some reason that the mail HAS to go to the tenant's address....?
No reason I guess, it's a solicitors address and I imagine there will be some charge to deal with mail going to them.Anyone wanting to let a property out, ie give it up to another person to use as *their home* in exchange for money can ( and should) easily arrange for their personal mail to be delivered elsewhere.
Your in- laws could quite simply have paid for a PO box or, indeed, they could have had their mail redirected to *your* address. The fact that your in-laws and their Ts have agreed that the Ts *would* accept mail on their behalf is irrelevant: Ts are absolutely not obliged to agree to a similar imposition.
Quite right, they could have a PO box, they could send it to our address, but as you said the tenants have happily agreed with what they were asked, I was in no way implying every tenant would be as so accommodating, I myself possibly wouldn't be.
I was just stating what they did to show that it isn't necessarily a 'dodgy' landlord ripping off his mortgage company etc as others were suggesting, was trying to get across there could be another reason.0 -
No, they already said this. The T in this case has kindly accepted just to put mail addressed to their LL into a box provided which is collected periodically. I wouldn't find this a particular problem, myself, either.
It's not an imposition if they were asked politely, and it was clear that no pressure was applied to consenting, and they agreed. All things that its reasonable to assume happened in the particular case; a bit of a poor state of affairs when everyone seems to assume the opposite and the worst in people.
Similarly above where a poster has jumped in scaremongering that they think the LL doesn't have CTL. It's a bit unfair on the LL who you know next to nothing about to assume this of them; and unfair on the T, the OP above, to scare them. Certainly it is possible, and possibly worth the OP checking the return addresses on the LLs mail; but its not automatically a conclusion to jump right to.
OP, personally I would see no problem with doing this as long as the LL is accommodating and collects it at a time suitable for you, and as long as everything else seems proper and above board. With that in mind it's worth checking your deposit, gas safety certificate etc. but if it all seems OK, there's no reason to assume the LL is doing anything shady. But if you don't want to, then you don't have to and it shouldn't be held against you at all. Unfortunately, though, it is a fact of society that declining to go along with it could possibly mean your LL wants you out at the end of your AST. It wouldn't be fair, wouldn't be nice, and most LLs wouldn't do it; but its certainly a possibility - and likely to be the case if he doesn't have CTL.
This is exactly what I wanted to say but did it now where near as eloquently. Thank you.0 -
propertyman wrote: »"I want to complain about this banana not tasting like an orange."
Confused? well the post made about as much sense.
Renting is the right to use it for a time, pay the bills and not destroy it- it is not yours. Privacy in itself or in the terms of quiet enjoyment is not absolute.
Wrong. A tenancy agreement means the property is the tenant's home for its duration, much in the same way as an owner occupier with an outstanding mortgage, who would not expect their lender to pop round and collect post as and when they wanted to.0 -
propertyman wrote: »That's wrong too. The landlords right to access and the tenants right to quiet enjoyment are competing rights- which ones "wins" depends on the circumstances of each case.
Dropping round for mail can be annoying for some, but if he is doing a dodgy let, then it means two things.
-Life for you gets tougher or you get a section 21 as soon as the term is up.
-Your landlord might be in a situation you dread, under pressure as your or your partners jobs have been cut, which renting out solves, even if it means not telling the lender.
How would you like to be put in by your tenant?
Life is too short- ask for a supply of A4 stamped envelopes or as when we rented temporarily, put a mail box outside and give him a key.
Any landlord who serves a s21 on an otherwise perfect tenant who did not want their privacy invading by frequent mail collection visits deserves to get a really bad tenant next time around.0 -
propertyman wrote: »"I want to complain about this banana not tasting like an orange."
Confused? well the post made about as much sense.
Renting is the right to use it for a time, pay the bills and not destroy it- it is not yours. Privacy in itself or in the terms of quiet enjoyment is not absolute.
The post made perfect sense. Try reading it again when the effects of the dodgy banana wear off.0
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