Pup attacked by Staff Dog

xcarlyx

Raksha wrote: »

That's like saying a 3 month old baby is a good baby - they don't know anything else.

In a few months time he'll be wanting to play, and puppys use their teeth to play with one another, only he hasn't been with his Mum and litter mates for long enough to learn how to play without hurting, so that will be your job. He's also got to learn how to interact with other dogs - again, that's your job now. Mum would also have taught him a lot about where he's supposed to go to the toilet (if she'd been allowed to) - but again, that's your job.

Someone online? Now why doesn't that surprise me?

He's learnt how to go to the toilet and now we're teaching him how not to bite.

cheepskate wrote: »

Sigh.................there are always going to be stupid people, like the above, who actively encourage irresponsible breeding/ breeders.

While there are idiots about, then they will allow these people to keep breeding.

Her cat had kittens recently and her rabbit had recently bred too which i didnt' find out about until i saw her posting on facebook again!

gettingready

xcarylx - can you really not see that by taking on a 6 week old put YOU too are the bad one here not just the woman who breeds those poor animals?

I believe cheepskate post was directed at YOU - and I tottaly agree with the statement...

YOU can not teach the pup what mum/siblings would/should.

peachyprice

xcarlyx wrote: »

Her cat had kittens recently and her rabbit had recently bred too which i didnt' find out about until i saw her posting on facebook again!

I suppose she's selling those online too. What a nasty piece of work she is.

gettingready

peachyprice wrote: »

I suppose she's selling those online too. What a nasty piece of work she is.

as long as she has buyers....

krlyr

What's done is done, and rather than call people idiots, maybe it would be best to educate them about the pitfalls of buying from breeders like this? I certainly don't support the act but equally many people buy from these breeders out of naivety rather than anything else.

This explains how to spot a BYB/what they are
http://home.comcast.net/~NoPuppyMillsVA/What_is_a_Backyard_Breeder_/what_is_a_backyard_breeder_.html


The Puppy Plan is a good resource and the section aimed at breeders shows exactly what they should be doing with the pup prior to 8 weeks and why
http://www.thepuppyplan.com/

The APDT have a good article aimed at how to choose a puppy, covering issues like breeders and the ages to take a puppy home
http://www.apdt.co.uk/dog-owners/choosing-a-puppy


xcarlyx, it is not just about teaching the dog where to toilet or how hard to bite but the science behind is is that dogs start to go from quite a fearless stage in their life to a more wary, naturally hesistant stage between 5 and 7 weeks, where everything they learn will play a continous role in their personality and behaviour. It is vital that they are exposed to things by their mother and by the breeder at this age, such as the right and wrong ways of life. One of the main things here would be socialisation and how to interact with other dogs. You've taken a dog right at the start of this stage and because of the issue with him not being vaccinated, he will be 12 weeks old before you start taking him into the outside world and exposing him to the sights and sounds, and to other dogs. That's a whole 6 weeks of a very, very vital stage of his life you will have missed.
http://www.thepuppyplan.com/?page_id=31


I had a puppy who had been sold at 6 weeks old by a BYB through a freead magazine. I did not buy her, a distant relative did and gave her up when she didn't get along with his other dogs - perhaps due to not having had the appropriate socialisation as a pup? Despite my knowledge at the time (not quite as extensive as now but still what I'd deem above your average puppy owner), socialising her in classes and with friends' dogs and so on, she was terribly reactive towards dogs all her life. She had separation issues, OCD habits, struggling with car trips, vet visits and so on. Alongside all these behavioural issues, we had to deal with health issues due to her bad breeding, and my dream puppy I'd begged and begged my parents for throughout my teens ended up being the most heartbreaking pet I owned when she had to be euthanised aged just 4 years old because her hips were so bad she was struggling to move (towards the end, even a 5 minute walk to the end of the road became too much for her) and her behavioural issues meant that we couldn't explore any of the medical procedures that could have saved her (she was insured so money was never an issue but the trip to the specialist, the examinations, the recovery period, etc. would have just been so stressful for her I couldn't put her through it). I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone, and although it's too late to do anything now (and I really hope you don't have to learn any of this through experience yourself), I would hope that you would learn from this and encourage friends and family to be more cautious themselves.

lostinrates

Whilst I agree with everything said about why not to buy very young pups and certainly about the vaccinations, there are always exceptions to the rule.for example , some mothers aren't that great, and if a not greatly mother has a singleton then I would wonder if it might be the best of a bad choice to have it in a home with EXPRIENCED owners.

My new pup. His mother was not interested from early on and the breeder was tearing her hair out, but in his situation their was a very good sized litter, so staying with them gave him the importnant sibling relationships, even if the mother one was a little lacking.

Neither of these situations sound like it might be that sort of scenario, but it's easy to get very black and white about these things.

pulliptears

This thread is everything thats wrong with some people's attitudes to animals and their care in this country.

Have animal and expect PDSA to pay? Check
Buy Animal online from someone you know nothing about? Check
Take Animal from its Mum far too early? Check.

The whole thread is quite sad really.

_Andy_

Find it frustrating that so many people buy from breeders, given the thousands and thousands of gorgeous rescue dogs available. But oh no, let the breeders taking advantage of their animals make money.

krlyr

_Andy_ wrote: »

Find it frustrating that so many people buy from breeders, given the thousands and thousands of gorgeous rescue dogs available. But oh no, let the breeders taking advantage of their animals make money.

I find it frustrating that people buy from irresponsible breeders when there are some many rescues or reputable breeders to approach. I don't think being anti-breeder will solve the problems in the dog world but I think people realising that there are good and bad breeders, learning how to tell the difference, and being made aware that many of these reputable breeders don't even charge as much as some of the dodgy ones (e.g. dodgy Labradoodles bred from Joe Blogg's Poodle and Jane Doe's Labrador can sell for hundreds more than a well-bred, health-tested purebred Labrador puppy thanks to the whole "doodle fad") could go miles further than the whole black and white rescue/breeder divide. Reputable breeders are needed to carry our breeds into the future, we just need to stamp out the demand the unreputable ones seem to be getting.

lostinrates

krlyr wrote: »

I find it frustrating that people buy from irresponsible breeders when there are some many rescues or reputable breeders to approach. I don't think being anti-breeder will solve the problems in the dog world but I think people realising that there are good and bad breeders, learning how to tell the difference, and being made aware that many of these reputable breeders don't even charge as much as some of the dodgy ones (e.g. dodgy Labradoodles bred from Joe Blogg's Poodle and Jane Doe's Labrador can sell for hundreds more than a well-bred, health-tested purebred Labrador puppy thanks to the whole "doodle fad") could go miles further than the whole black and white rescue/breeder divide. Reputable breeders are needed to carry our breeds into the future, we just need to stamp out the demand the unreputable ones seem to be getting.

Very well put.

I personally have been saying for ages that that the kennel club, like horse registration societies, should register part breds, to bring those breeders who are doing somethiong different but want to do it responsibly into the fold, it would improve record keeping. I would also be prepared to pay for a passport, as I do for my horses, that would be returned to state age and cause of death, and
Ogging medications contributing to a fuller health picture. (in horses this is done for competitive record and for the meat industry mainly, but it give ould be a decent resource for furture health mapping if it were taken seriously).

My latest arrival is a working dog, bought to do a job. It's a gamble with any puppy, more of a gamble with a crossbreed who might have skills from one 'genetic inheritance' or might not. Some dogs always break the mold though. My vet referred to my grey hound as the Swiss army knife dog this week....she points like a pointer, herds like a collie and keeps herself incredibly useful in a working role here, then comes and snuggles with me in her time off as well as any spoiled pet dog.

Btw, she had 'breeding potential' but as a responsible pet owner now the second accident of a similar sort suggests a fault rather than a bad stroke of luck I look forward to having her spayed next year. Her breeder knows what has happened, and is contacting other pet puppy owners who she is not in contact with just to see if anyone else has had an issue, because she wants to know if it's something cropped up in the line.....