Pup attacked by Staff Dog

Air_Cooled_75

So, you had a 'fully trained' and 'fully vaccinated' puppy out walking off the lead at 8/9 weeks old?

You don't have insurance as you just got another puppy?

You can't pay for the vet's bills as OH has lost is job?

You said only in August that you wouldn't get another dog because of the damage they do?

You've got rid of a dog in the past?

While I am truely sorry your pup was attacked, words fail me. I'm not very optimistic as to how long you will keep these new dogs...

Apologies if I have got any of the above wrong.

~Chameleon~

Almost identical story to the one the other week!!

Ahh yes, having read more of the thread it seems I'm not going mad after all and you did indeed post the same story before!

moggymutt

Poor pup. (or is that poor puppies since it appears that there are now 2 ?)

Poor PDSA.

What a lot of cr*p from OP as regards consistency of story, vaccs status, etc

Our nice quiet town is totally devoid of people using dogs for street cred, and so although there are lots of staffies here, the only problem with staffies here is that some of them are overweight. Possibly/probably that reflects the true nature of the staffy.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Back to the original post;

No insurance, vaccinations allegedly done/too early...I'm thinking puppy farm/back yard breeder. You need to get him checked for parvo pretty sharpish.

Another pup is not a good idea if you can't afford the treatment and other expenses associated with one dog. Even less of a good idea if it's another puppy farmer.


Did you check the PDSA rules? They only cover one pedigree nowdays. And no chopping and changing registrations. So if anything happens to pup 2, you probably can't afford anything other than having it put to sleep.

A pup so young should only have been outside for a few minutes - especially with a breed infamous for hip problems. Unless you live next door to the park, he was probably being overexercised.


And finally - you say a staff is big? You have a very large surprise coming your way in about nine months time. And you can expect random strangers to complain yours isn't muzzled as it's been bred to attack just as you complain about staffies.


I'm not picking on you. These are facts and my opinion. Not to upset or point score. But you do seem a little underinformed.

I hope the pup recovers well.

pulliptears

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I don't understand why you've reposted this Op. You got lots of answers on your other thread from dog owners.

Yes, and none of the answers were the ones OP wanted to hear. I stand by my post on the original thread.

1.Don't have a dog knowing full well you can't afford treatment and will have to add to the massive burden the PDSA already have.

2.When you have cost the PDSA god knows how much in veterinary care for the first animal don't go out and buy another bloody dog because thats selfish and irresponsible.

Dollardog

The OP must be on benefits to be able to use the PDSA, so how come they can even afford to go out and buy a GSD, and then another pup of whatever breed that is - or are they hoping to start breeding from them in the future?
Why have such a big dog which is going to cost a lot of money to even feed properly if you are on benefits? I suppose if they qualify for PDSA vet services, they won't bother to insure it and as Zacsmum/pulliptears said in the previous thread, they are irresponsibly adding to the PDSA burden, in that they are buying a dog, knowing that they won't be able to afford to keep it properly and afford the vets bills, especially a GSD which is prone to hip problems etc if not well bred.

Its totally irresponsible and as someone else has said, if the PDSA only allow one pedigree dog to be registered, what will happen if the other dog gets sick anytime - will that have to be pts because they can't afford vet treatment for it?

pulliptears

Dollardog wrote: »

The OP must be on benefits to be able to use the PDSA, so how come they can even afford to go out and buy a GSD, and then another pup of whatever breed that is - or are they hoping to start breeding from them in the future?
Why have such a big dog which is going to cost a lot of money to even feed properly if you are on benefits? I suppose if they qualify for PDSA vet services, they won't bother to insure it and as Zacsmum/pulliptears said in the previous thread, they are irresponsibly adding to the PDSA burden, in that they are buying a dog, knowing that they won't be able to afford to keep it properly and afford the vets bills, especially a GSD which is prone to hip problems etc if not well bred.

Its totally irresponsible and as someone else has said, if the PDSA only allow one pedigree dog to be registered, what will happen if the other dog gets sick anytime - will that have to be pts because they can't afford vet treatment for it?

I probably take PDSA threads far too seriously, but they do make my blood boil.

As you know I was in the position last year when my OH was suddenly made redundant and Jack the Scottie became very ill very quickly. As he was an older dog anyway, and the fact that insurance wasn't something we could have afforded to continue with we were massively grateful for the PDSA's help.

Thanks to them and their efforts I had 6 months of precious time with my little man before he died. The money they put in to help a terminally ill dog was staggering, yet they never gave up on him.

It sickens me quite frankly to think that someone who knowingly can't afford treatment willingly puts themselves in that situation where the PDSA pick up the tab. I found myself in their surgery by pure chance and sudden change in circumstance, but the amount of people who I'd see sitting in the waiting room with pedigree puppies made me fume. People who think nothing of paying £500 for a cute ball of fluff but wont fork out full price for treatment.

My OH was fortunate and he was back in work before we lost Jack, so the last few months of his life we funded at a cost of a few thousand pounds, though I believe we could have continued to receive treatment for a while there it wasn't the right thing to do when OH was earning again. I donate to the PDSA every week to try and slowly pay back the debt I feel I owe them. It annoys me when I pop my donation in the box that a good portion of it is probably paying for irresponsible owners who think having a dog is right, whether they can afford it or not.

Personally I feel the PDSA should refuse to treat any animal purchased while the owner was on benefits. Harsh? Probably, but the donations would then be spent on the people and animals that really need it, not the selfish majority who buy an animal and expect someone else to foot the bill.

End rant.

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Owners are able to get more than basic first aid and pain relief for up to 3 of their pets (as that's available to ALL animals) from the PDSA if they are in receipt of either Council Tax or Housing Benefit. This includes people who are working on a low wage that means they qualify for a small top up to make their rent, some pensioners on a low income and people who are sick, disabled, caring for someone who is, or otherwise in receipt of help with housing costs and/or council tax.




From the PDSA website;

The policy explained

From the start of July 2011, an eligible PDSA PetAid hospital client can still register up to three pets, but only one pedigree cat or dog will be permitted per client.

Special provision will be made for existing second or third pedigree pets that are reliant on continuous treatment, for example, a second or third pedigree pet that is diabetic and dependent upon insulin. In such cases ongoing registration may be permitted, as long as the client continues to be eligible for PDSA help.

The vast majority of current hospital patients (93%) are unaffected, meaning only 7% will be affected by this new policy.




And further on;

...pet owners deliberately breeding from any species for profit, and without considering the health and wellbeing of the pet, would be stopped from using PDSA services. This practice is entirely at odds with the provision of our charitable veterinary service, which is funded completely by public support.






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FWIW, I qualify for help from the PDSA. My uninsurable mogs are there, the Idiot Cat is Insured, as I'm pretty certain if any of them is going to cost somebody thousands, it's going to be him. :cool: And I would rather it cost an Insurance company thousands than anybody else.


Having pets and qualifying for assistance does not automatically make someone a bad person, that gets us back to the same old benefit bashing bile you see on other boards (and I'm willing to bet that the mental image people have is of the chav family with a staff or the fake tanned single mum with a papillion, not the person who takes the skinny cat being abused by the kid next door, the kitten that was going to be drowned or the mutt from the rescue centre because it didn't make it as a sniffer dog) - but

- getting a second pet that would not qualify for assistance whilst not having any means of providing essential care for the subsequent pet is irresponsible.



Refusing to treat all animals would result in increased animal suffering. Plain and simple, more females dying of pyometria, more in whelping, more in long, slow agony from car accidents, more puppies and kittens drowned, more parvo, more FIV, more unwanted young, more strays. If every shelter is at breaking point now, add in the number of animals instantly requiring euthanasia if there is no treatment allowed because the owner was on benefits.

this should be about animal welfare, not about punishing or disapproving of the poor.

And in this case, the second pup could be untreated, as not having papers isn't enough - if it's a recognisable breed, the PDSA will not treat them over and above the emergency treatment they would give any animal to stabilise it for transfer to a private veterinary practice.

bexiboo92

I'm sorry to hear your pup got hurt, but do NOT blame the staff. And what does it matter if it was a staff or another breed?

It was the owner's fault for not having their dog on a lead or able to control it.

I've had a staff for over a year now and she is one of the most gentle and friendly dogs you could ever meet.

markelock

Did the owner pay out?

One of my dogs (since pts due to illness) got out a few years back, and bit another dog. I took the owner and the dog to the vets, and paid for the bills.

Sadly the owner also reported mine as a dangerous dog (which he wasn't, he just couldn't deal with fear by running away) which came to nothing. If I'd have known they'd do that, I'd have re-considered my moral obligations...