Why doesn't Cameron want Scottish Independence?

IveSeenTheLight

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

how does she think she can build any house for £37,500, let alone 1,200 of them!

Hmmm, how much do you think it costs to build a home?
Of course it depends on what types of homes / flats are built but potentially this can be achieved.

This home builder sells a 2 bed detached kit for £16,790.00
http://www.caledonia-homes.co.uk/plan%20and%20detail/eigg.htm





Surely the governement could build it for £20,000 labour.
You'd save costs if making semi-detached, terraced or even flats.

Cheap it may be, but is building for £37,500 so unconceivable?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Rather independence than Tories once again at the helm..less so re Labour regaining power. Almost exactly reflects any conversations and opinions I've had/heard regarding this recently. I've said this before, ( in the other epic thread ), but it's the Tories and how they look like doing in the next General Election which will be the single most important factor in swinging votes from No to Yes in 2014. This poll indicates a very large and potential majority 'yes' swing..

People have the right to self determination but it does seem a bit mental to incur on yourselves the costs of leaving the Union because the Tories are horrid to Scottish people sometimes. I mean the poll tax thing was over 20 years ago.

I guess the worst case scenario for Scotland would be quitting the UK because the Tories were going to get in and then having to negotiate with a new Tory Government the nut and bolts of independence.

I don't imagine they'd be that bothered about any future ill-feeling from Scottish Governments. They'd be more interested in getting the SUV out of Scotland that contained all the remaining Conservatives living there!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Still, at least this will put the issue to rest once and for all. Have the referendum, and when it fails, let's all move on to more important things.

My guess is that it will fail but IIRC the 1970s referendum produced a simple majority but not a majority of those eligible to vote. Presumably the 1970s referendum result, if replayed, would result in an independent Scotland. There's no reason to expect that it would be replayed of course.

Ultimately the Scots must realise that the economic argument for independence is bunkum because the costs of setting up a new state would far outweigh any economic benefits surely...? It's not like the Scots have faced centuries of repression like the Irish did so there is no argument really along the lines of Scots not being able to follow their religions or speak their language or something.

IveSeenTheLight

chewmylegoff wrote: »

the idea that either (i) english people will be better off as they won't have to subsidise the scots and (ii) scottish people will be better off because they will get to keep all the oil revenue are both total bollox.

even if the figures are technically true for either claim, what will actually happen is a bunch of politicians will come along and waste all the money on nonsense, and normal people will carry on paying the same amount of tax and receiving the same levels of public services in return - i.e. they will see no perceptable change in their life whatsoever, apart from a fat man in a suit on tv going on a lot about how much better everything is now.

I tend to agree.
I'm a Yes man, however I'm expecting standards to deteriorate in the short term.
Long term however (and often we are asked to think of our children), I'd expect that we would be better off, certainly the people's voting power would have increased to determine which party becomes the government who's main consideration is to the people of Scotland.

adouglasmhor

headcone wrote: »

Even those Dressed in a Tricolor?

The original Scots (not Picts not Britons) came from Ireland.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

Ultimately the Scots must realise that the economic argument for independence is bunkum because the costs of setting up a new state would far outweigh any economic benefits surely...? It's not like the Scots have faced centuries of repression like the Irish did so there is no argument really along the lines of Scots not being able to follow their religions or speak their language or something.

Short term, I'd agree that it will cost the Scots people to set up independantly.

Looking forward 50 or 100 years, would the future be different having 50 or 100 years of a government is is solely considering the needs of it's countrymen?

chewmylegoff

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Hmmm, how much do you think it costs to build a home?
Of course it depends on what types of homes / flats are built but potentially this can be achieved.

This home builder sells a 2 bed detached kit for £16,790.00
http://www.caledonia-homes.co.uk/plan%20and%20detail/eigg.htm





Surely the governement could build it for £20,000 labour.
You'd save costs if making semi-detached, terraced or even flats.

Cheap it may be, but is building for £37,500 so unconceivable?

all you need now is the land to build it on. you've got £710 left in the budget so may prove tricky. at least because you are the government you will only have to ask yourself for planning permission so that should save a few quid.

adouglasmhor

chewmylegoff wrote: »

all you need now is the land to build it on. you've got £710 left in the budget so may prove tricky. at least because you are the government you will only have to ask yourself for planning permission so that should save a few quid.

We could squeeze a few of them in on the brownfield sites left by the colapse of industry, a few more on the derelict sites of hospitals and schools, that should save a few bob.

IveSeenTheLight

chewmylegoff wrote: »

all you need now is the land to build it on. you've got £710 left in the budget so may prove tricky. at least because you are the government you will only have to ask yourself for planning permission so that should save a few quid.

I'm sure the government have enough land they could already build on.
I know some councils are selling off land
http://stnicholashouseaberdeen.co.uk/

How many affordable homes / flats could you build in 2.42 acres?

Remember, this is just one site, how many others are available throughout the country.

Think outside the box man ;o)

chewmylegoff

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I'm sure the government have enough land they could already build on.
I know some councils are selling off land
http://stnicholashouseaberdeen.co.uk/

How many affordable homes / flats could you build in 2.42 acres?

Remember, this is just one site, how many others are available throughout the country.

Think outside the box man ;o)

the cost of doing that is not 0, as you could have sold the land and are losing the opportunity of being able to do so by building a house there, so the cost of that piece of land is still its open market value with planning permission whether the govt has to buy it or not.

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Short term, I'd agree that it will cost the Scots people to set up independantly.

Looking forward 50 or 100 years, would the future be different having 50 or 100 years of a government is is solely considering the needs of it's countrymen?

Are the needs and wants of the Scottish really that different from the needs and wants of the British that it would make a difference? I have my doubts.