disc' hearing - what if no lesson was taught?

WasntMe_2

ILW wrote: »

Are you saying you did not realise what you did was wrong?

What i'm saying is, i realise what my role was in the first incident is wrong.
Whilst similar, the two cases are not the SAME. If they were then the company would be talking about me bringing them into disrepute again, which they're not. This was the lesson i took - don't badmouth the company & i didn't.

I thought this current case at the time was ok because it goes on in person. If i was talking behind someones back & it was out of the ordinary, then i would expect them to be upset. I knew the other chap would be ok about it & they are. They laughed about it & told me not to worry as they don't care because they say the same to me.
In addition, i thought it was ok because this has been going on for years (in person, not facebook), sometimes in front of managers who have not once said anything. In fact, the managers also come out with these remarks themselves.

So based on all of this i thought the current incident was 'ok'.

I now realise that for me at least, it's not ok to do this. The managers still continue to do this & other workers still continue to do this, in person & on facebook & nothing has been said to them.

There's nothing i can do about that though, i can only concentrate on myself & realise that it's not ok for ME to do this.

thorsoak wrote: »

As I understand disciplinary proceedings, these are "deleted" from the employee's records after a set period of time. Therefore you cannot refer back to them in new disciplinary proceedings.

Not even to talk about procedures? I wouldn't be referring to offences, but the procedures (such as the first 2 told me what they expected, the 3rd didn't).

I am curious though - what do you do in your employment which necessitates so many disciplinary hearings??

I left school, went into working life & was hard headed, constantly challenging the system. I had much growing up to do. Some members on here will say i still do, but let them say it. My warnings were for not carrying out instructions - as i say, i was hard headed.

I then realised i would never win by fighting the system. You either accept it or move on, so i calmed down & began to accept things (other than blatant taking the piddle out of me, which became rare).

This change in character was noted by the GM & one of the bosses who commented to me how they had seen a change & it was good to see, keep it up.

And i did, for years. Kept my nose clean for years. Until last month. Just poor judgement.

pinkshoes

WasntMe wrote: »

Then it's only worthwhile if someone is actually willing to answer the question.

So far, nobody seems to be.

Well it's very difficult to answer a question when we're not sure what the actual question is!

Are you saying that you've just had your THIRD disciplinary at work in 13 years, and this time you're about to get fired, so are trying to find some sort of reason why you shouldn't get fired???

Personally I'd just look for a new job and start again. 13 years is long enough with one company. Time to move on to pastures new...

WasntMe_2

pinkshoes wrote: »

Well it's very difficult to answer a question when we're not sure what the actual question is!

The question/s come directly before the question mark :beer:

That's right at the end of the post btw.

Prior to the question/s is just a bit of background info on the situation, but the questions are there, at the end, before the question marks.

denla

The question is OP like in his other thread and other other thread has been saying - all the same things really, that he called his supervisor names on Facebook and is getting disciplined for it under grounds of bringing company into disrepute. OP thinks this is ok because his supervisor doesn't mind and claims this goes on all the time.

OP was previously warned for bad mouthing a colleague.

I'm not really sure what OP wants now. You're likely going to get sacked or receive a final written warning which is equally as bad. Start finding another job ASAP instead of creating multiple threads on the same thing which is confusing everyone here.

OP, just because your supervisor thinks it's ok doesn't make it ok. It's unprofessional to call each other names, and if everyone knows who you're talking about it won't matter if you didn't name your supervisor on Facebook.

denla

PS: WHY haven't you DELETED your Facebook account? You haven't learnt your lesson by the looks of it.

SueC_2

WasntMe wrote: »

In my 13+ years service i've had 3 warnings.

You say that like it's a good thing....?

WasntMe_2

denla wrote: »

The question is OP like in his other thread and other other thread has been saying - all the same things really, that he called his supervisor names on Facebook and is getting disciplined for it under grounds of bringing company into disrepute. OP thinks this is ok because his supervisor doesn't mind and claims this goes on all the time.

Incorrect.
First off: Throughout all this you've given off a distinct impression. I suspect you may know me, but i haven't figured out who you are. Either way you seem to have a serious problem with my situation. My only question is why.

Secondly: I think you'll find the above ISN'T a question at all. You say "the question is" and then just follow it with background info, which isn't a question. Make your mind up - are you talking about questions or background information? One or the other.

OP was previously warned for bad mouthing a colleague

Incorrect also.

I'm not really sure what OP wants now.

An answer to the question is always nice

You're likely going to get sacked or receive a final written warning which is equally as bad.

With one you're out of a job. No money, bad mark, etc.
With the other, you're walking a dental floss tightrope but you've still got money coming in & the chance to make it up to the company & push on in a positive manner.

Hardly "equally as bad" is it now. Come on.

Start finding another job ASAP instead of creating multiple threads on the same thing which is confusing everyone here.

I'm sorry but i don't understand what's so confusing about basic Q&A. Someone asks a question, someone provides an answer. Don't know the answer? Don't reply. It seems pretty simple.
Not only that, but i've previously been 'told' on MSE, be it by mods or long standing members (i don't know their role on here) about asking drifting questions in threads. I've been told if a thread develops from the original point then create a new thread for the question, so i did, as they had. Their advice/instructions are fine with me as asking on a thread which has a couple pages tend to get you less replies. New thread gets the question answered, although not in this case it seems. Still, i'm only doing as i've been told on here.

OP, just because your supervisor thinks it's ok doesn't make it ok. It's unprofessional to call each other names, and if everyone knows who you're talking about it won't matter if you didn't name your supervisor on Facebook.

You must've missed the part where i say (numerous times) i realise this. Be it late or whatever doesn't matter - i realise it, end of.

denla wrote: »

PS: WHY haven't you DELETED your Facebook account? You haven't learnt your lesson by the looks of it.

Who says i haven't?

WasntMe_2

SueC wrote: »

You say that like it's a good thing....?

I say it like i'm giving you information.

If you want to make out i'm putting it across like it's a good thing then that's your business, but it's not how i meant it.

I had to mention the warnings due to the actual question which has been ignored.
I figured that anyone interested in answering the question, or indeed anyone interested in trying to be difficult & not answering the question, would've asked what timeframe i received them in, so to save all that, i just mentioned it in a bid to speed things up.

Obviously, if people don't want to answer the question, nothing can be done to speed them up or stop them from refusing to answer.

denla

WasntMe wrote: »

Incorrect.
First off: Throughout all this you've given off a distinct impression. I suspect you may know me, but i haven't figured out who you are. Either way you seem to have a serious problem with my situation. My only question is why.

Isn't it obvious? You're now trying to avoid getting disciplined/sacked on a technicality. It's like you're not sorry and just want to target certain words on the disciplinary letter to try to walk off. You screwed up by bringing the company into disrepute. Face the consequences like a man.

And to answer your question... the letter does not need to state what is expected of you.

There's two possible reasons for this. 1) So employer can discuss this in detail in person when you attend the disciplinary meeting. 2) Because nothing more is expected of you. Employer's already decided to sack you.

skintandscared_2

I admit I read through your post about 6 times before I think I worked out what your question is.

As an adult, do you believe it is entirely necessary for a warning letter to explicitly set out that that act you are being disciplined for shouldn't be repeated? i.e. if you were disciplined on the third occasion by writing something defamatory on facebook, did the warning letter REALLY need to state "don't write anything defamatory on facebook"? Really?

It's not just about how YOU feel about the statement you wrote - or, for that matter, the owner of the facebook page you wrote it on. You must have mutual colleagues who are facebook friends, who have reported this incident, for it to have reached this stage at all.

Of course you are entitled to raise the question at your next disciplinary hearing that you weren't explicitly told what not to do, but don't you think that could make you just look ignorant and foolish, with a lack of self-awareness? I'm afraid I think it may do more harm than good.