disc' hearing - what if no lesson was taught?

WasntMe_2

I've just been going through old paperwork & i understand i'm totally clutching at straws here, but it's all i can do really.

Hopefully some of you reading this will be familiar with the ongoing case & the question that keeps getting put to me - "did you not learn".

In my 13+ years service i've had 3 warnings.
The first two hearings were chaired by the GM. When i received the letter stating i was being put on a warning, the letters closed by stating what the company expected from me with immediate effect. On both occasions i took note & it didn't happen again.

The 3rd warning, the hearing was chaired by THE boss, which is highly unusual at our place. This chap is from the old school of "you're fired" & kicking you off the grounds without going through the legal side of hearings etc.
When i received the letter from him, it stated i was on a warning, but it never stated at the end what the company expected from me with immediate effect (or any effect for that matter).

So as such, the letter never actually gave a lesson like the first two did.
The only lesson i took from the meeting is the one my boss kept telling me - don't put my boss in a bad light, don't put the company in a bad light. That's pretty much all he kept saying, so this is what i took from the meeting.

My current crime doesn't bring the company into disrepute, so in a way, i've learned the lesson he was teaching, it just happens to not be the complete lesson i should've learned.



Now when i ask this question, i don't mean in the argumentative sense, but would you use this somehow in the upcoming disciplinary hearing? Is it something you'd leave for an appeal? Or would you write it off?

jc808

Did you not learn?

maninthestreet

Why do you keep getting into so much trouble at work that you need to be diciplined? I've never had a disciplinary hearing in 27 years of working.

WasntMe_2

My God, why don't people just answer the question? How are those posts even helpful in the slightest? Why even bother replying if you don't answer the question?

jc808 wrote: »

Did you not learn?

For the X'th time, yes i did. The question you're asking is what lesson did i learn.

maninthestreet wrote: »

Why do you keep getting into so much trouble at work that you need to be diciplined? I've never had a disciplinary hearing in 27 years of working.

Good for you, but there are many variables. You're you, i'm me. You have your boss, i have mine.

For example, i've spoken to other bosses/owners of companies about this to get a boss' view.

Some have said that my bosses are going way OTT, especially THIS time. Others have said it's a bit much, but they can see where they're coming from, but that THEY would just spell things out clearly (my boss didn't if you read OP).

I'm yet to speak to a boss who says "your boss is totally 100% spot on & not overreacting". However, this doesn't mean that one person is right & the other is wrong, it's just an individuals view. I have to deal with the here & now.


All this is irrelevant though as it doesn't address the question i asked.

DCFC79

WasntMe wrote: »

I've just been going through old paperwork & i understand i'm totally clutching at straws here, but it's all i can do really.

Hopefully some of you reading this will be familiar with the ongoing case & the question that keeps getting put to me - "did you not learn".

In my 13+ years service i've had 3 warnings.
The first two hearings were chaired by the GM. When i received the letter stating i was being put on a warning, the letters closed by stating what the company expected from me with immediate effect. On both occasions i took note & it didn't happen again.

The 3rd warning, the hearing was chaired by THE boss, which is highly unusual at our place. This chap is from the old school of "you're fired" & kicking you off the grounds without going through the legal side of hearings etc.
When i received the letter from him, it stated i was on a warning, but it never stated at the end what the company expected from me with immediate effect (or any effect for that matter).

So as such, the letter never actually gave a lesson like the first two did.
The only lesson i took from the meeting is the one my boss kept telling me - don't put my boss in a bad light, don't put the company in a bad light. That's pretty much all he kept saying, so this is what i took from the meeting.

My current crime doesn't bring the company into disrepute, so in a way, i've learned the lesson he was teaching, it just happens to not be the complete lesson i should've learned.



Now when i ask this question, i don't mean in the argumentative sense, but would you use this somehow in the upcoming disciplinary hearing? Is it something you'd leave for an appeal? Or would you write it off?

For future reference

WasntMe_2

DCFC79 wrote: »

For future reference

Sorry for this appearing dim - but are you quoting me for future reference, or are you saying i should use it for future reference, as in an appeal for example?

I have to ask as my other thread started off with people not answering the question as well.

If the latter (as in using it in something such as an appeal) then thanks for the advice.

DCFC79

WasntMe wrote: »

Sorry for this appearing dim - but are you quoting me for future reference, or are you saying i should use it for future reference, as in an appeal for example?

I have to ask as my other thread started off with people not answering the question as well.

If the latter (as in using it in something such as an appeal) then thanks for the advice.

Nope, there are posters/thread starters who will delete the posts they make in a thread which then ends up being disjointed as the OP has deleted his replies plus the original post. If its kept intact it could be useful for others if they were to ever be in same or similar situation.

WasntMe_2

DCFC79 wrote: »

If its kept intact it could be useful for others if they were to ever be in same or similar situation.

Then it's only worthwhile if someone is actually willing to answer the question.

So far, nobody seems to be.

ILW

Are you saying you did not realise what you did was wrong?

thorsoak

As I understand disciplinary proceedings, these are "deleted" from the employee's records after a set period of time. Therefore you cannot refer back to them in new disciplinary proceedings.

I am curious though - what do you do in your employment which necessitates so many disciplinary hearings??

ohreally

thorsoak wrote: »

As I understand disciplinary proceedings, these are "deleted" from the employee's records after a set period of time. Therefore you cannot refer back to them in new disciplinary proceedings

The outcomes tend to hang around on a permanent basis, never really getting deleted, ready to be revived on a manager’s whim at some point that suits them in the future.