Organic food in supermarkets

Fire_Fox

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

For people who want organic fruit and vegetables it would be much cheaper growing your own than being ripped off by the supermarkets. Get an allotment or grow some in you back garden.

I wish ... possibility of getting involved in a community veg project tho, if I can start living more normal hours.

Edwardia wrote: »

While it's a great idea, if you can grow your own, not everyone can.

My garden is really small, especially in proportion to the house. In a normal English summer I manage to be self-sufficient in herbs but the veg I grow in bags and pots is just for the fun of doing it. I'd need a far bigger garden to grow enough fruit and veg.

There are people posting on this thread who live in London and if living in an apartment, they may not have more than a sunny windowsill or balcony.

Make that north-ish facing windows that get the sun for maximum half an hour in the evening. And that if I am home to open the tinted windows so the cat can 'fly' over to the the birds on the building opposite and splat on the concrete pavement several floors below. Assuming said cat doesn't eat the green stuff before I get there. :rotfl:

There is a flat roof at the back that gets a little more sun, but I don't fancy vermin doings splattered organic herbs. The joys of 'stylish' city living!

Fire_Fox

Edwardia wrote: »

Choline
http://www.theranger.co.uk/News/Eggs-could-improve-health-of-unborn-babies_21846.html

Omega 3 to improve bone health of birds
http://www.theranger.co.uk/News/Omega-3-in-diet-could-reduce-bone-damage-in-layers_21870.html

You do come up with interesting stuff! I knew about bone health and anti inflammatory action in humans but had not extrapolated to birds. :doh: I wonder if a seed rich diet will become more widespread if it can save birds? Great for birds, great for humans. More female chickens that are culled the more need to be hatched so the more boy chicks .... could have knock on effects.

Just thought you never see meat from omega chickens, so I Googled, they have been studying this for decades!
http://animalscience.ucdavis.edu/avian/pfs21.htm

Eggs are very nutritious, makes sense since they would feed an entire chick - rich source of chromium which is beneficial in insulin resistance/ type 2 diabetes/ gestational diabetes. They are the only source of saturated animal fats I don't moderate, and I crave them when I have been drinking. :beer:

sophlowe45 wrote: »

What did people do before Ocado existed? I just bought whatever crap was available in Tesco as they sell very little I find ok in my local stores. Perhaps other Tesco stores are not like this depending on the local area, the big Sainsburys in Victoria for example is amazing.

What about EYE Q Capsules 180 per pack
A hi-EPA fish oil formula that may help maintain concentration levels and healthy brain development.

have seen a lot people take these.

I'm still pre-Ocado, still shopping around various stores for the bargains and the products I prefer. They do sell an unreal amount of junk so I don't go down many of the aisles, just fruit and veg, fish counter, dairy, eggs, frozen, World Foods; the majority of longlife or heavy items I order in bulk online.

Eye-Q do quite a bit of research I thought, maybe it was another brand because I don't see it on the site. Small sustainable fish (sardines and pilchards) apparently but they don't give the origin.

Not the highest potency product, partly because they dilute the fish oils with evening primrose which contains a high percentage of pro-inflammatory LA (an omega-6 ubiquitous in our diet). Shot themselves in the foot really, I don't see the point other than perhaps it's cheaper than superior borage oil. Absolutely better than nothing tho.
https://www.equazen.co.uk/default.aspx?pid=133


"The fatty acid composition of evening primrose oil is dominated by linoleic acid with about 72% and about 13% γ-linolenic acid, while borage oil consists of twice the amount of γ-linolenic acid and only 38% linoleic acid. The amount of saturated fatty acids is higher in borage oil. The tocopherol composition of both oils is dominated by γ-tocopherol, with borage oil containing twice the amount compared to evening primrose oil."
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejlt.200700259/abstract

HTH.

ETA yes they have done some research, just a difficult to negotiate website
https://www.equazen.co.uk/Default.aspx?pid=397
https://www.equazen.co.uk/gfx/ul/files/Oxford_Durham_Trial_Factsheet_def_2009.pdf

Edwardia

lindseykim13 wrote: »

Scares me to think how many people don't realise the stuff these companies are putting in our foods. I had always wrongly assumed that they wouldn't be putting anything harmful in-how wrong was i.

lindseykim13 you're not alone, millions of people all over the world, make the assumption, if it's in food, it must be safe.

Fire Fox, to me the most versatile ingredients on the planet are eggs and potatoes (can't eat those myself) and I eat a dozen free range eggs a week. I reckon eggs should be classified as a superfood myself Abel & Cole hasn't turned up with my eggs milk and yogurt yet so feeling hungry.

Miroslav - as a bodybuilder you will be familiar with the concept of eating lean and clean, I imagine.

Well first off, if you're doing less training then you don't need to eat really high levels of protein and you can eat not just less protein but also use sources of protein that you might not have considered before eg lentils, red kidney beans, garbanzo beans (chick peas) which will help your budget (Fire Fox and vegans please feel free to jump in here re: amino acids).

The beans n lentils are also the type of slow release carbs I mentioned in an earlier post which will make you feel fuller longer so that you can stay away from the sugary stuff which will make your blood sugar go up and down like a rollercoaster.

Many people don't seem to realise that protein provokes an insulinogenic response as it is needed to shift amino acids into the cells - in fact insulin, while being a hormone, is comprised of 51 amino acids itself.

So if your brain can't see leptin because of the high levels of insulin, eating a lot of protein doesn't help.

Not wanting to be racist here, but if you are from Eastern Europe, those stews with meat and beans would be a really economical way of filling up.

Edwardia

Fire_Fox wrote: »

There is a flat roof at the back that gets a little more sun, but I don't fancy vermin doings splattered organic herbs. The joys of 'stylish' city living!

Er Fire Fox.. rats don't like herbs. Peppermint, spearmint and citronella especially.

Salad wash - the one I use since organic veg isn't always prewashed. I'm sure there must be others.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bentley-Organic-Salad-Fruit-Wash/dp/B003VJXXJW

lindseykim13

Edwardia wrote: »

Er Fire Fox.. rats don't like herbs. Peppermint, spearmint and citronella especially.

Salad wash - the one I use since organic veg isn't always prewashed. I'm sure there must be others.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bentley-Organic-Salad-Fruit-Wash/dp/B003VJXXJW

Really? Salad wash-never even thought of it and do grow my own. Not quite sure why a good wash wouldn't be enough though?

stevedb11

Edwardia wrote: »

Just dived in to add that when I was settling down to read some fanfiction a banner ad told me than Sainsbury's is offering free delivery on orders over £50. No code was given but it mentioned
www.sainsburys.co.uk/livingwellforless

That might be useful to some people because Sainsbury's has quite a big range of own brand organic stuff and also quite a lot of fresh, frozen and tinned wild fish. Organic veg prices aren't as cheap as Lidl, Morrisons and ASDA but there's more chance of getting some.

Anyone know if this fre delivery is a new thing ?

I've just checked on Sainsburys website and the free delivery for a £50 spend only applies to Home and Garden, and not Groceries, for Groceries you have to spend £100 for free Delivery.:)

Edwardia

stevedb11 - thanks for checking :T that's a bit disappointing though.

lindseykim13 - I went out for dinner in a local pub with OH in 2008. The (non-organic) veg hadn't been washed (whether by wholesaler or pub I don't know) and I picked up e.coli 0157 which had me on a drip and insulin drip within 48 hrs and in an isolation room for about 9 days in total.

e.coli on spinach seems to be particular problem in the USA - this link below from UPI shows latest scare which is far from being the only one. People in Germany have been affected too by e.coli and other bacteria in salad crops particularly, organic or not.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/02/19/Spinach-off-market-for-potential-E-coli/UPI-12391361299785/

Video from USDA on washing fruit and veg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va2u1m4KoLE

My mother wanted us to do a cookery course together as she wanted to learn to make Middle Eastern food. so we did a one day course in Sussex in February. I took all organic veg and when I went to use the Sainsbury's SO organic spinach which was supposedly prewashed, it was all muddy

For many people, the viruses and bacteria aren't a problem, their immune system handles it all. Older people, kids still developing their immune system and people with chronic or terminal illnesses are much more vulnerable. People can and do die of e.coli 0157 for example. I got to languish in bed helping OH with his dissertation lol.

It's not just bacteria and viruses on fruit and veg there are also pesticides. many of these will be water-resistant so they aren't washed off by rain and they are likely to be stronger than any chemicals you would use in your garden. BTW it is now possible to get organic bug killer and slug killer. The slug killer breaks down into natural nutrients which the plants can use - really clever.

Edwardia

Rachel's organic yogurt rhubarb/vanilla 350g 28.3p/100g 99p
it was pointed out on another thread that this might not be as cheap as you think so please compare the cost per 100g with other supermarket current offers.

Non-organic but may be of interest:

Alpro soya milk 1 litre 99p
Connell Bakery wholemeal soda bread 500g 99p

Miroslav

Edwardia wrote: »

Miroslav - as a bodybuilder you will be familiar with the concept of eating lean and clean, I imagine.

Well first off, if you're doing less training then you don't need to eat really high levels of protein and you can eat not just less protein but also use sources of protein that you might not have considered before eg lentils, red kidney beans, garbanzo beans (chick peas) which will help your budget (Fire Fox and vegans please feel free to jump in here re: amino acids).

The beans n lentils are also the type of slow release carbs I mentioned in an earlier post which will make you feel fuller longer so that you can stay away from the sugary stuff which will make your blood sugar go up and down like a rollercoaster.

Many people don't seem to realise that protein provokes an insulinogenic response as it is needed to shift amino acids into the cells - in fact insulin, while being a hormone, is comprised of 51 amino acids itself.

So if your brain can't see leptin because of the high levels of insulin, eating a lot of protein doesn't help.

Not wanting to be racist here, but if you are from Eastern Europe, those stews with meat and beans would be a really economical way of filling up.

Indeed I am.

I still eat alot of protein - it just doesn't fill me up like it used too. Maybe because I am eating chicken from packets, it's not the same as eating a proper cooked chicken? I don't know.

I possibly do need to eat different types of protein too. Protein shakes no longer do it for me either.

It's the foods that make me feel fuller for longer that I need. I just seem to be an empty pit these days and just eat and eat until I am not around food or off to bed. I do eat alot of protein, maybe too much.

Ha - those stews, or soups if you prefer. My problem is I eat alot and I used to need to eat alot, but now....my body won't let me eat too much food, or I get the gastro issues, but then I feel too hungry, so it really is finding the most filling foods without the issues afterwards.

dandelionclock30

You need to be eating low GI foods then, things like porridge,sweet potatoes, beans and lentils, wholewheat pasta, brown rice etc.
These will help keep you feeling fuller for longer.http://www.the-gi-diet.org/lowgifoods/.
However, you still have to watch the amount your eating and in my experience the weight doesnt drop off, but it does stop snacking and binging out of hunger.