Just had a crash, who's fault is it? Need advice please

Sgt_Pepper_2

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

The thing is, I do not want to guess where she came on on the roundabout. She probably even came right round the roundabout. Who knowns.

I did not see her indication UNTIL impact had occurred..



I did not see her indication UNTIL impact had occurred..

the second video the car that gets hit, is not moving so it's obvious it will suffer move impact it was more of a direct hit, compared to mine.



I did not see her indication UNTIL impact had occurred..

I can't believe she is making an injury claim. It seems this way. What a ****.

I think I need to go an consult with a solicitor myself.

You didn't see her until the impact.

So you could have cut her up then?

dggar

I wonder if anyone from BSM is following this thread?

Tilt

dggar wrote: »

I wonder if anyone from BSM is following this thread?

Hops so as it appears that some of their instructors need a few lessons!

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Tilt wrote: »

Hops so as it appears that some of their instructors need a few lessons!

i dont believe the OP is being straight with their version of events.

look back to how ademant he was the BSM driver followed him out in the wrong lane lane 1 to now where he doesnt have a clue where she came from nor did he see her till impact.

my opinion is that OP went to merge into lane 1 from 2 coming off at his exit ive seen many many people do this, been cut up many many times because they didnt do basics of checks.

dggar

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

I indicated around two dots before the blue X mark.

Using Google earth that gives a distance of approx 32 feet.

your estimate of speed was at least 30mph.

That's 44 feet per second.

It will have taken about 0.75 seconds to cover that distance.

If we assume your indicator flashes at 90 flashes per minute.
(i.e. the mid point of the acceptable range)
motorists arrond you on the round about will have seen 1 flash before the collision.

From what you have stated the independent witness saw the other party indicating.

TrueUnitedFan

I really do not know the exact speed I was doing, all I was doing was concentrating on the road ahead and looking into my blind sport. It was 100 percent less than 30mph, becaise the roundabout is very small, and I took the second exit so it's not far from where I came onto the roundabout.

The facts

I came onto the roundabout in the middle lane,
stayed into the middle lane.
Indicated well before I got to the second exit
Went into the second exit by sticking to the second lane, did NOT shift over to the 1st lane.

I have an Independent witness who seen the accident and said it was not my fault

I was checking my blind spot.
She was in the left lane, when she should of got into the second/third lane in order to go into the second or third exit.

She crashed into me, on the LEFT not on the right she obviously wasn't looking in her mirrors at all.

I was on the roundabout before her, and infront of her.

I only seen her indication as we collieded, not before or just before collision.

Yes she maybe a driving instructor, I am 18, just passed but that does not make it my fualt. The most experince drivers on the road can make mistakes and this should not be used in deciding the outcome of the case.

She has little damage on her car, just slight damage to headlight, and slight cosmetic damage. my door has morderate damage and it maybe a write off.

I have got an accident claims company on board to fight my case.

Obviously she is taking advantage of me, just passed, teenager, she's a driving instructor, guessing she's got advanced driving w/e it's called and think's she can use all of this and put the blame on me.

I refuse to accept liability, it's her fault, and if that means I will go to court about it, I will.

I have an independent witness, she has no one.

For all those who said it was my fualt and calling me a **** and a danger to the road, go ****. I'm not going to respond to your posts or acknowlege of you.

Thanks for everyone who have given constructive advice and help.

I'm guessing it will take a couple of weeks/months to conclude but I'm confident the right result will come out of this

TrickyWicky

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

all I was doing was concentrating on the road ahead and looking into my blind sport.

Yes she maybe a driving instructor, I am 18, just passed but that does not make it my fualt. The most experince drivers on the road can make mistakes and this should not be used in deciding the outcome of the case.

I have got an accident claims company on board to fight my case.

I refuse to accept liability, it's her fault, and if that means I will go to court about it, I will.

I have an independent witness, she has no one.

I think you meant 'spot' insead of 'sport' but it's good to at least hear a confirmation that I was wrong about that. A lot of new drivers do however think the blind spot is non existent and to a point they're right because its not until you miss something that you can't see in the mirrors that you realise it is real and does exist.

Yes experienced drivers do have mistakes but they tend to be less accident prone. See this from MSE members POV.. you're here in your first few weeks of driving saying you've been flashed for speeding or going through a red light, you're going to lie about who was driving, you've been asking about getting a service on your credit card (just in case you can get a refund back from the bank) and now you've had an accident on a roundabout with someone who does professional driving for a living. Look at this from someone elses POV.. you couldn't make this up.. it's the kind of stuff you'd expect to see on TV in Shameless or something.

Can you see why you have so many doubters?

As for the independant witness, was it someone outside of your car that you don't know? - If it was a passenger in your car you can forget about using them as a witness - insurers don't take any notice of them.

I know what its like, I went through a gatso doing 28 in a 30 and the damn thing went off. I was worried for weeks and never heard anything but do you think anyone else believed me when I said I was only doing 28? No. The only person who did was my partner who was in the car and knew I wasn't the type to speed and had looked straight at the speedo just seconds before it flashed. I still wasn't believed by many folks though. It was just something I learned to put up with - people are judgemental and arrogant.

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

For all those who said it was my fualt and calling me a **** and a danger to the road, go ****. I'm not going to respond to your posts or acknowlege of you.

That doesn't help convince people of your qualities I'm afraid. It just reaffirms that you're a stuck up 18 year old boy racer trying to take on the world and loose.

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

Thanks for everyone who have given constructive advice and help.

I'd like to hope that includes me a bit. I know I've also frowned on you a bit but I've also given you genuine advice and told you my tales of woe.

I think in reality, coming on MSE and asking it's members to tell you who is at fault when you claim you have a witness etc is asking for trouble. If you are confident you are not at fault then you shouldn't need to ask here. Asking a question like that (when you know already that many are suspicious of you) is just adding fuel to the fire.

dggar

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

I really do not know the exact speed I was doing, all I was doing was concentrating on the road ahead and looking into my blind sport. It was 100 percent less than 30mph, becaise the roundabout is very small, and I took the second exit so it's not far from where I came onto the roundabout.

The facts

I came onto the roundabout in the middle lane,
stayed into the middle lane.
Indicated well before I got to the second exit
Went into the second exit by sticking to the second lane, did NOT shift over to the 1st lane.

I have an Independent witness who seen the accident and said it was not my fault

I was checking my blind spot.
She was in the left lane, when she should of got into the second/third lane in order to go into the second or third exit.

She crashed into me, on the LEFT not on the right she obviously wasn't looking in her mirrors at all.

I was on the roundabout before her, and infront of her.

I only seen her indication as we collieded, not before or just before collision.

Yes she maybe a driving instructor, I am 18, just passed but that does not make it my fualt. The most experince drivers on the road can make mistakes and this should not be used in deciding the outcome of the case.

She has little damage on her car, just slight damage to headlight, and slight cosmetic damage. my door has morderate damage and it maybe a write off.

I have got an accident claims company on board to fight my case.

Obviously she is taking advantage of me, just passed, teenager, she's a driving instructor, guessing she's got advanced driving w/e it's called and think's she can use all of this and put the blame on me.

I refuse to accept liability, it's her fault, and if that means I will go to court about it, I will.

I have an independent witness, she has no one.

For all those who said it was my fualt and calling me a **** and a danger to the road, go ****. I'm not going to respond to your posts or acknowlege of you.

Thanks for everyone who have given constructive advice and help.

I'm guessing it will take a couple of weeks/months to conclude but I'm confident the right result will come out of this

Absolutely priceless:rotfl:

If this ever gets to a court and you base your case on what you've said here the right result will certainly come out.

It's a long time since I did my A level maths but I would interpret "It was 100 percent less than 30mph" as being stationary.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

TrueUnitedFan wrote: »

I really do not know the exact speed I was doing, all I was doing was concentrating on the road ahead and looking into my blind sport. It was 100 percent less than 30mph, becaise the roundabout is very small, and I took the second exit so it's not far from where I came onto the roundabout.

The facts

I came onto the roundabout in the middle lane,
stayed into the middle lane.
Indicated well before I got to the second exit
Went into the second exit by sticking to the second lane, did NOT shift over to the 1st lane.
your x on your map suggests that you didnt indicate well beofre but just before you menouvered.
I have an Independent witness who seen the accident and said it was not my fault
maybe so but if his version is different to yours then it will be thrown in the bin.
I was checking my blind spot.
She was in the left lane, when she should of got into the second/third lane in order to go into the second or third exit.
so you checked to your right :T but she was on your left!! so you didnt see here there as you were checking the wrong way?

She crashed into me, on the LEFT not on the right she obviously wasn't looking in her mirrors at all.

I was on the roundabout before her, and infront of her.
again i find this hard to believe because you state in your google map that she next to you entering the roundabout.
then you said you dont want to speculate where she came from and dint know.

I only seen her indication as we collieded, not before or just before collision.
good luck with convincing anyone with aspect

Yes she maybe a driving instructor, I am 18, just passed but that does not make it my fualt. The most experince drivers on the road can make mistakes and this should not be used in deciding the outcome of the case.

She has little damage on her car, just slight damage to headlight, and slight cosmetic damage. my door has morderate damage and it maybe a write off.

I have got an accident claims company on board to fight my case.

Obviously she is taking advantage of me, just passed, teenager, she's a driving instructor, guessing she's got advanced driving w/e it's called and think's she can use all of this and put the blame on me.
its probably going to work aswell

I refuse to accept liability, it's her fault, and if that means I will go to court about it, I will.

then i suggest you keep it simple rather than trying to justify your all over the place with your account of things here, when you get to court youll face hard questioning by oposition and judge

I have an independent witness, she has no one.

For all those who said it was my fualt and calling me a **** and a danger to the road, go ****. I'm not going to respond to your posts or acknowlege of you.
nice mentality you have there, will you say this to a judge? who refuses to give you the case.

Thanks for everyone who have given constructive advice and help.

I'm guessing it will take a couple of weeks/months to conclude but I'm confident the right result will come out of this

as per my point.

Jamie_Carter

!!!!!! wrote: »

If like a lot of drivers, they believe that by indicating it gives them absolute right of way

If that was aimed at me, I think you are missing my point. The OP was in the middle lane, but wanted to turn off and didn't indicate.

The other woman was in the wrong lane, but was indicating, and the OP said that he saw that she was indicating.

But the OP still cut in front of her, even though he knew she was indicating to continue around the roundabout.

So the OP could have easily avoided the collision.