I want to take my kids on holiday IN the UK, ex says no

pag78

I have been seperated from my partner (never married) and have two young boys 5 and 2, both born after 2003 and im on both birth cirtificates, i have plenty of access to the kids (3pm till 8pm four days aweek plus 3pm till the following 3pm one day aweek).

I live in manchester about a mile from thier mother and school but have family who live in Stranraer Scotland and want to take them on holiday there during the half term. I have asked thier mothers permission (3.5 weeks notice) to take them away (not that i need it in england or wales) without telling her where i was planning to go, she has agreed to let me take them away but knowing i have family thier and presuming so has refused to let me cross the border to scotland with our sons (even just for four days!!!)

Please con someone help with advice or explain my rights!!!
Thanks. Paul.

Mojisola

Scotland is not abroad!

pag78

Mojisola wrote: »

Scotland is not abroad!

I know, but the law is different and im not sure of my rights?

Mojisola

The consent of the parent with PR is normally required before a child is taken out of the UK.

https://www.cafcass.gov.uk/PDF/FINAL%20web%20version%20251108.pdf

GobbledyGook

Has she said why she doesn't want them to go to Scotland?

fluffnutter

Perhaps she's got a thing about Irn-Bru. And who can blame her, frankly?

fawd1

could be worried about Tablet. It's made for people who think fudge could use a little extra sugar.

On a serious note, I'm not sure legally she could stop you, as you're not taking the children abroad. However, it's worth weighing up how difficult she could make life for you if you decide to take them anyway. perhaps just ask her what the problem would be, and see if you can resolve it amicably. e.g guarantee they'll call every day at x time, give her a timetable of your plans etc. Maybe also point out that at some point she'll probably want to go away with the kids herself, and it won't benefit anyone if the children aren't allowed to go on holiday for the next 11 years because the other parent is saying no.

fluffnutter

I echo the above. This is not really about the law. This is about continued good relations with your ex. She's your kids' mum and she's going to be in your life forever. Best not to do things that will antagonise her, whether or not the law's on your side. Talk it through. Perhaps she's just anxious about being without her kids - they are pretty young still and I assume they've not been away without her yet?

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

Irrespective of you wanting your 'rights', could she be worried that you are planning to refuse to return them?

If that's the case, you need to be reassuring her, not telling her you can do as you please. Not because the law says you have to be pleasant to her, but because it's the right thing to do.

Mojisola

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

If that's the case, you need to be reassuring her, not telling her you can do as you please. Not because the law says you have to be pleasant to her, but because it's the right thing to do.

Both parents should be doing this.

life_unexpected_2

I would suggest you sit down with your ex and discuss why she would not want them to go to scotland with the children .
i know you say that you don't need her permission to take the children on holiday but I presume from what you have said she is the primary care giver for the children and if you were to take the children without discussing this with her first could find that you are making a rod for your own back regarding contacted in the future.