Worrying letter from hm revenue really need advice please

highhopes19

Hi really could do with some advice I feel physically sick over it!

My partner recieved a letter today sayin he owes £2992 in tax, I can't stop worrying! His employer has been taking tax out of his wages each month (he works for a small building company).

As far as we were both aware his employed has been paying the tax as the money has been taken out of his wages each month.

But I closer inspection they've got his income wrong, they've got his income down as £34,162 for 2011-2012 when infact all he earnt was £11,400

Does this mean I can stop worrying I've been crying all morning.

I'd even go as far as saying I think he's been paying to much tax on the wages for last year.


Thankyou in advance x

xylophone

Your partner needs to look out his P60 and ring the tax people without delay.

chrismac1

My first thought when reading anything from HMRC is "Where is the muck-up?" Not "Has a muck-up been made" you'll note. For example, despite being told about a change of accountant 2 years ago and sending most letters to me, today I got a month old penalty notice the chumps had sent to the old accountant.

So it's probably a muck-up and it's not unusual for them to double someone's income. Or in one of my cases they used the income of an accountant firm partner with a client of mine who was on benefits!

You can't make this sort of thing up! Calling them useless would be generous!

highhopes19

Thankyou for th advice. My partners boss is sorting it for him right now, turns out his boss made a mistake on the income part when my partner took paternity leave last year in November. He typed my partners income in 3 times so it added it together if that makes sense.

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antonic

chrismac1 wrote: »

My first thought when reading anything from HMRC is "Where is the muck-up?" Not "Has a muck-up been made" you'll note. For example, despite being told about a change of accountant 2 years ago and sending most letters to me, today I got a month old penalty notice the chumps had sent to the old accountant.

So it's probably a muck-up and it's not unusual for them to double someone's income. Or in one of my cases they used the income of an accountant firm partner with a client of mine who was on benefits!

You can't make this sort of thing up! Calling them useless would be generous!

Thanks for your usual "helpful" rant against HMRC, which has no relevance to the original post and doesnt help the OP at all.

Having now read post #4 are you going to apologise ?, after all HMRC usually apologise when they make a mistake.

chrismac1

No apology necessary, rantonic. Why? Simples.

How many people on PAYE double or triple their income in twelve months?

My guess is less than 1%.

So instead of spitting out these daft assesments like a bunch of utter numpties, whoever writes the HMRC software - probably the same bloke who modelled the West Coast Main Line spreadsheet - should insert a line:

"If current year income - prior year income > 100%, then don't spit out a letter like a prat BUT put on exception report for proper checking before winding up the victim .. er correction taxpayer.

So it's a muck-up plain and simple. A common one, I personally on this site hve helped at least 5 other people sort out one of these idiotic assessments, and also did one for a client whose PAYE income suddenly doubled according to the twits at HMRC.

ashleypride

chrismac1 wrote: »

How many people on PAYE double or triple their income in twelve months?

Maternity, paternity, part time to full time.

chrismac1 wrote: »

My guess is less than 1%.

That's rather a lot of people.

chrismac1 wrote: »

So instead of spitting out these daft assesments like a bunch of utter numpties,

How about the employer does what is legally required and enter the figures correct in the first place?

chrismac1 wrote: »

So it's a muck-up plain and simple.

By the employer.

chrismac1 wrote: »

twits at HMRC.

The twits at HMRC have made plenty of !!!! ups, but this isn't one of them.

chrismac1

We are told the same income was typed in 3 times. I rest my case, Numpties is a bit kind to whoever spat this one out.

chrismac1

Furthermore, any complacent HMRC punter reading this thread - that's most of them, then - is in for a big shock if they think RTI is going to make things better.

In fact RTI is going to make things worse. Much worse. It stands every chance of being the next big UK tax fiasco.

My clients who do their own payroll routinely make this sort of mistake which has led to the silly assessment. For most people, HMRC people speak Double Dutch by phone in print and on the web. So client staff make the sort of mistake no punter in HMRC towers could ever envisage.

But at present they get 12 months to tidy up messes, with the help of the likes of me, before submitting all this stuff. Under RTI they won't. Also all the missing DoBs and faulty NI numbers suddenly get chucked at the system every month.

Right now the UK PAYE system goes into meltdown for 4 or 5 days every April. In the future it will be every month.

HMRC plough merrily on, full steam ahead with good Captain Smith peering out of the bridge - "Holy Cow, that's a bloody big iceberg I see ahead!"

real1314

chrismac1 wrote: »

We are told the same income was typed in 3 times. I rest my case, Numpties is a bit kind to whoever spat this one out.

That will be the employer, who typed it in 3 times, added all 3 together, and still didn't spot it.
Just to be clear - the employer - who knows the employee; knows what job they do; what the going rate is; knows if they have changed their job, had bonuses, done overtime, been doing the work of 3 peope - that's who put 3 times the income in and did not spot it.

Do you have any conception of the hundreds and thousands of different ways that people arrange their work/paye/tax?
Do you really think the taxpayer should be spending huge amounts of cash trying to reconcile hundreds of thousand of "exception reports" of which the vast majority turn out to be correct int he first place and result in:-
1. delayed tax payments
2. confused tax payers
3. complaints that the tax office had the right info all along, but wasted time querying correct information?

!!!!!!, you really can't make this sort of damned if you do; damned if you don't stuff up!

taxpayer says don't waste my money on people who gave the wrong info in revenue's favour - let them sort it out themselves - few people keep quiet when they are asked to pay more tax than they should; let's concentrate of those paying LESS tax than they should :cool:

real1314

chrismac1 wrote: »

Furthermore, any complacent HMRC punter reading this thread - that's most of them, then - is in for a big shock if they think RTI is going to make things better.

In fact RTI is going to make things worse. Much worse. It stands every chance of being the next big UK tax fiasco.

My clients who do their own payroll routinely make this sort of mistake which has led to the silly assessment. For most people, HMRC people speak Double Dutch by phone in print and on the web. So client staff make the sort of mistake no punter in HMRC towers could ever envisage.

But at present they get 12 months to tidy up messes, with the help of the likes of me, before submitting all this stuff. Under RTI they won't. Also all the missing DoBs and faulty NI numbers suddenly get chucked at the system every month.

Right now the UK PAYE system goes into meltdown for 4 or 5 days every April. In the future it will be every month.

HMRC plough merrily on, full steam ahead with good Captain Smith peering out of the bridge - "Holy Cow, that's a bloody big iceberg I see ahead!"

So, when your clients routinely (by your own statement) make this sort of mistake, it's HMRC who should be able to spot and intercept it?
It's nice of you to at least show that you expect HMRC to be more effective than your clients.
What's odd is that you don't have a tag line to define your clients as idiots.
It seems you think you and your clients can throw any old crud into the system and then you expect them to sort it out. You have your (lack of) responsibilities heavily mis-placed.
STOP CAUSING MY TAXES TO BE WASTED SORTING OUT YOUR CLIENT'S ERRORS !!! :mad:
:cool: