Dulux is the anti-christ: Sikkens yellows

breadlinebetty

How long does Dulux stay Brilliant White for? Weeks., months, couple of years?

Out of all the makes which one looks and stays brilliant white for the longest?:cool:

And does this apply to emulsion too?

keystone

Terrysdelight wrote: »

My dad is a professional painter and decorator (retired now) and whenever he does my painting - he always insists on using 'oil based'.

Get him to try the Aqua out just for the devil of it and see what he says.

Cheers

Leif

keystone wrote: »

I can believe that. The Dulux people have probably very little knowledge of Sikkens coatings which only came into their rough sphere when AzcoNobel bought ICI.

They also told me they had solved the issues with the gloss. But I bought a tin, and it yellowed in months.

keystone wrote: »

Anyway I'm experimenting a bit with a waterbased gloss now that flows and works like spirit based gloss (rather than silk emulsion) and gives a shine almost as good as spirit based or so close that you can hardly detect the difference. To my mind its even more of the dogs danglers than the Solo. What? Oh yes. It's Johnstones Aqua. Need to adjust your technique though.

Thanks. How do you adjust your technique? I have now finished decorating my house, and the carpet goes in soon. But for future reference it will help. Last night I applied some Ronseal Diamond gloss white. It went on okay, no drips, dried fast. But it was like the acrylic undercoat. It did not spread properly (I used a Purdy synthetic brush), and ended up with tram lines, for want of a better word. Not really up to scratch. Maybe the paint being 6 months old (and opened before) meant it was not in ideal shape. A roller gets a better finish, albeit somewhat stipled.

spadoosh

keystone wrote: »

I went off Dulux Trade Gloss a couple of years ago for various different reasons and switched to Crown Solo. Afer a rubdown and a coat of 123 to seal/prime/undercoat I've not yet had one report of the paint yellowing unless its had no light whatsoever.

Paints are weird. I bought my house last june and glossed most of it using crown solo pbw. Between painting different rooms it had yellowed (maybe a week or two between rooms) It was prepped by heat gunning the old stuff, scraping, filling, sanding, priming, undercoat and 2 layers of gloss, so definately prepped right (Do it once, do it right!). And on the door frames could see a big difference.

During the decorating, i painted a wood corner post in the kitchen to try and get as close to the high gloss white doors, when it was put on blended in perfectly and 5 months later its practically magnolia.

Completely gone off using glosses since the new regs, seems like you cant even get 6 months out of a white gloss now.

Im fortunate in that the house is fairly neutral so that the once white now cream skirting boards actually blend in quite well, another 6 months though and will look like a 90 yr old smoker lives here!

art_for_arts_sake

I use very little white gloss now because of this problem.

Eggshell finishes will reduce the problem as they have less resin in, as will acrylic finishes but the jury's out on how resistant they are to wear and tear. Many low VOC water-based car finishes, too, are proving susceptible to tree sap and bird lime, so EU bureaucrats are making life difficult for the motor industry too.

Other colours are available, too, so are the Great British public taking too much notice of TV style experts with their cream/magnolia walls and white gloss?

art_for_arts_sake

breadlinebetty wrote: »

How long does Dulux stay Brilliant White for? Weeks., months, couple of years?

Out of all the makes which one looks and stays brilliant white for the longest?:cool:

And does this apply to emulsion too?

Dulux used to set the standard AFAIC for white gloss, if they can't manage it no-one can.

No, it doesn't apply to emulsion, it uses a vinyl or acrylic base which is non-yellowing.

People will always find something to moan about. I used to get fed up with people moaning about the smell of paint after I'd decorated, now it's improved they're moaning about it yellowing.

Not much point re-decorating if it's going to yellow anyway. All gloss paintwork will benefit from being washed down occasionally, so if it's sound just wash it down instead. Better for the environment and your pocket.:)

breadlinebetty

art_for_arts_sake wrote: »

Dulux used to set the standard AFAIC for white gloss, if they can't manage it no-one can.

No, it doesn't apply to emulsion, it uses a vinyl or acrylic base which is non-yellowing.

People will always find something to moan about. I used to get fed up with people moaning about the smell of paint after I'd decorated, now it's improved they're moaning about it yellowing.

Not much point re-decorating if it's going to yellow anyway. All gloss paintwork will benefit from being washed down occasionally, so if it's sound just wash it down instead. Better for the environment and your pocket.:)

I wonder if you can buy white gloss from abroad and have it shipped? There must be a way round this problem, surely?

Failing buying it from a non-EU country, what would be the best painting method so that your woodwork stays as white as possible for a decent length of time?

keystone

spadoosh wrote: »

Paints are weird................... !

In teresting that our experiences with Solo are so far apart. Well it is what it is I guess

Cheers

keystone

breadlinebetty wrote: »

what would be the best painting method so that your woodwork stays as white as possible for a decent length of time?

Use a standard waterbased one or have a go with Jonno's Aqua - costs a bit more though.

Cheers.

MarilynMonroe_2

Dulux yellowing was highlighted on a tv consumer type show a year or so ago.
I'm tempted to just go straight for magnolia.