This sort of thing annoys non disabled people

clemmatis

p00 wrote: »

Should people claiming benefits really be able to take these long extended holidays and still claim off us tax paying workers?

(If they're legally entitled to the benefits) Yes.

Should people who are guilty of tax evasion be able to take long holidays and still go on cheating us tax payers?

KxMx

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

As regards PIP, my dad would have had nothing to fear from being 'tested' every two years, he was disabled, end of.

Being genuine does not equal nothing to worry about these days where disability benefits are concerned.

BobQ

p00 wrote: »

Perhaps this should be in the 'vent ' thread but this really annoys me.

My neighbour who hasnt worked for over 20 years (bad back) and gets not only a blue badge but full mobility as well and his wife carers allowance has been abroad in their new huge motorhome for 8 weeks earlier this year and now 9 weeks travelling around Europe - with their nice new expensive bicycles in the back.

Should people claiming benefits really be able to take these long extended holidays and still claim off us tax paying workers?

If they are both malingering and abusing the system then of course report them.

What amazes me though is that you seem to know all their business. Obviously you may be intercepting their mail but I assume you know about their business because they openly speak about the benefits they are getting. Clearly they believe they have nothing to hide.

Its a sad reflection on society that without any evidence or any knowledge you assume they are in the wrong.

Anyone getting DLA will have undergone an assessment of their disability and be entitled to a BB as a result. The person will be re-assessed at intervals. The benefit is not means tested, the mobility element is meant to help him get around. It does not mean that he does not have other income.

So he has a bad back. Do you know that this is the only reason be has difficulty walking. He may have a worn disc in his neck or have suffered an injury to his foot, have arthritis in his ankle or have breathing difficulties.

Anyone looking after someone on DLA without other earnings can claim Carers Allowance. Do you know what help he needs? He may have problems washing his feet or hair, he may need help putting medication on his back. This is what the allowance is for.

The idea that diaabled people cannot have a holiday is frankly archaic. He may use a mobile home because he finds it difficult to use facilities in hotels, or to save money, or because he likes to have this kind of holiday.

As to the bikes, maybe his disability means that gentle cycling is easier than waliking, maybe they are meeting up with friends who have a small car and he is transporting their bikes.

If you have evidence of abuse report it but just consider that he may actually have problems you do not appreciate.

Parva

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I am in receipt of both, yet live in an £800k house and £120k of cars on the drive.

In certain circumstances, especially if he problems with one of his legs, cycling can be beneficial. I cycle regularly with my DD's to keep my left leg active under medical advice, although saying that, it doesn't do my back a lot of good!

My injuries are sustained from a car accident when we lived in Russia (I'm not originally Russian, although I wasn't born in the UK either) shortly after I took my 1st teaching post, so late 2001, and I'm still living with the effects, to the greatest of extents.

CK

Well bully for you. I (like many here) live in a rented house, rarely have more than £120 in my bank account let alone £120k of cars on the drive and couldn't cycle let alone walk..... I understand your point but do you understand how repulsive that feels to me? Talk about sticking two fingers up at the system, disgusting.

CKhalvashi

Parva wrote: »

Well bully for you. I (like many here) live in a rented house, rarely have more than £120 in my bank account let alone £120k of cars on the drive and couldn't cycle let alone walk..... I understand your point but do you understand how repulsive that feels to me? Talk about sticking two fingers up at the system, disgusting.

That seriously wasn't to dig, and I can understand how it could be taken like that, it's to prove a point re OP's original statement.

I do a lot of work with homeless and disabled people, and was actually speaking to someone on disability benefits this morning regarding Motability, and mentioned to him the fact that his little old diesel Vectra isn't costing £3500 a year to run, so he should consider keeping it.

I am in the lucky position that I do work in a Senior Managerial role, and I do (possibly unbelievably from that post) have sympathy for those that can't, as I can see the other side of the coin on this, amongst other things regarding benefits.

CK

Parva

CKhalvashi wrote: »

That seriously wasn't to dig, and I can understand how it could be taken like that, it's to prove a point re OP's original statement.

I do a lot of work with homeless and disabled people, and was actually speaking to someone on disability benefits this morning regarding Motability, and mentioned to him the fact that his little old diesel Vectra isn't costing £3500 a year to run, so he should consider keeping it.

I am in the lucky position that I do work in a Senior Managerial role, and I do (possibly unbelievably from that post) have sympathy for those that can't, as I can see the other side of the coin on this, amongst other things regarding benefits.

CK

I totally understand your reasoning for posting but as far as trying to give hope to those that are struggling to get and retain the benefits they need I'm afraid that you have done just the opposite and prove to the Andy's amongst the masses that some really are living a life of Riley on the tax-payer.

I get that you posted in good faith but I can only dream of owning a house worth £120k, let alone cars worth that. I would even forego the £120k of cars just to be able to cycle somewhere, the bad back would be a non-issue in the grand scale of all of the other pains I suffer.

I don't live in envy of your lifestyle and what you have much as it's always been a dream for me, I live a relatively happy life if somewhat meagre compared to yours. What is deplorable is that you are receiving these benefits when it's obvious that you don't need them. The depreciation on your cars will outstrip the benefits you receive! Most of us could only wish for such a grand lifestyle and palatial home. I'm sorry, the post you made was probably well intentioned but for me it makes me want to support these new, harsher measures that are coming in (and I don't say that easily because if I lose it I am shafted, if you lose it I suspect it will have little impact).

ineed

pauliboo wrote: »

As far as I'm aware both a Blue Badge and DLA are not Means Tested.
In essence you could be a multi-millionaire and still claim these benefits.

I hope you have proof that these people are living beyond their means before reporting them.

I can say for sure DLA isn't means tested, even David Cameron claimed it for his son apparently.

On the subject of being out of the country, your able to get DLA so long as your trip is under 26 weeks including holidays. You can live abroad and still get DLA under certain circumstances,

Going abroad to live or visit

If you are going to live abroad permanently you cannot usually get Disability Living Allowance. If you move to another country in the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland, you may continue to get it under certain circumstances. You must already receive the care component of Disability Living Allowance.

If your visit abroad is temporary, you may continue to get Disability Living Allowance. This is providing your absence from Great Britain does not last more than 26 weeks (this includes going on holiday).

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Disabledpeople/DG_10012424

Personally I don't see a problem with a disabled person having a bit of respite away so long as going abroad doesn't conflict with illness symptoms they claim for and have informed DLA about (such as saying they are housebound but going abroad maybe).

Tbh I've rarely seen anyone on MSE deny there are benefit cheats about, in fact most agree there are some people on all benefits not just sickness benefit who abuse the verious systems setup, your always going to get that though. And of course there's few rare cases of people claiming then running verious races or whatever (extream case example but I've seen some people in DT who actually seem to believe this is quite common). The people who play the system will always continue to do so, it's the genuine claimants that are and will continue to suffer with unfair scoring. I believe currently DLA is actually one of the fairer benefits; long claim form, medical evidence required, if they don't have enough evidence your seen by a panel of doctors and most people are reassessed every two or five years.

I personally don't know of anyone who's not genuinely claiming a benefit and I'd never accuse others for being benefit cheats without knowing for certain or having some minor form of proof at least. It's awful to accuse someone of being a criminal (benefit freud) no one would like it.

CKhalvashi

Parva wrote: »

I totally understand your reasoning for posting but as far as trying to give hope to those that are struggling to get and retain the benefits they need I'm afraid that you have done just the opposite and prove to the Andy's amongst the masses that some really are living a life of Riley on the tax-payer.

I get that you posted in good faith but I can only dream of owning a house worth £120k, let alone cars worth that. I would even forego the £120k of cars just to be able to cycle somewhere, the bad back would be a non-issue in the grand scale of all of the other pains I suffer.

I don't live in envy of your lifestyle and what you have much as it's always been a dream for me, I live a relatively happy life if somewhat meagre compared to yours. What is deplorable is that you are receiving these benefits when it's obvious that you don't need them. The depreciation on your cars will outstrip the benefits you receive! Most of us could only wish for such a grand lifestyle and palatial home. I'm sorry, the post you made was probably well intentioned but for me it makes me want to support these new, harsher measures that are coming in (and I don't say that easily because if I lose it I am shafted, if you lose it I suspect it will have little impact).

This is a well-worded point, and something that has been taken on board. As I saw somewhere else on the thread, David Cameron claimed DLA for his son, I can confirm this to be true (from what I have read elsewhere).

If I lose, then it will have a small impact financially, however it should be noted that the main reason for claiming is the blue badge that comes with it, and I find it hard for anyone to dispute that it's necessary.

At the same time, how much tax is paid on my income, and possibly in the case that OP was stating. I was told this morning in Tescos that there's nothing wrong with me, then they watched as I went into the boot and got a stick out (I'm having a bad few days atm). Having a growly car (and mine really does go) doesn't mean that I'm not disabled!

CK

*Chattie*

Parva wrote: »

Well bully for you. I (like many here) live in a rented house, rarely have more than £120 in my bank account let alone £120k of cars on the drive and couldn't cycle let alone walk..... I understand your point but do you understand how repulsive that feels to me? Talk about sticking two fingers up at the system, disgusting.

There are very few posts on here by Cllr (alleged) CKhalvashi where he doesn't attempt to brag about his cars/houses/how much he earns/pays for anything so bragging about the price of his car on a thread in this board doesn't surprise me.

He says he claims it mainly for the BB yet as a local/town/county cllr (for which he claims £50k annual expenses) I would have thought he could have swung a BB no problem without claiming DLA especially as allegedly his GF is the Cllr for Parking Services (?) whom he uses to get off his parking tickets.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=53591753&postcount=14

CKhalvashi

jizzler wrote: »

I am in the same situation as yourself except my accident was in Poland, but the same as you decided i moved back here because the benefits system here pays me much much more than it would anywhere else.

Hats off to you my fellow scrounger .

I had every intention of returning anyway

I went to Uni in Russia as it was free, as I'm a Russian national :eek:

CK