This sort of thing annoys non disabled people

krisskross

dori2o wrote: »

Hold on.

I said if they believe they are pulling a fast one to report them.

Suggest what you want I personally don't give a crap.

But if you don't report someone you believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, is cheating the system then you are no better than the perosn cheating.

If you're not willing to report them, then don't complain about it.

Simples.

Finally, if you believe these payments are so generous, become disabled, and see just how much fun it is.

w@nker.

It is this boorish, blinkered view that makes you appear so oafish.

I do know what disability is all about, both my husband and I have major physical problems. He claims AA, I choose not to.

Parva

Well done to the OP for stirring up another fight amongst the many here, probably not intentional granted but this happens on an almost weekly basis given that the illness and disability card is such a hot potato these days. Many didn't choose to be in this 'club', I most certainly didn't and as a new 'member' of it I wish for nothing more than to have the damned leg sewn back on so that I can walk out of not only the political minefield it has become but also out of all of this damned prejudice that anyone claiming to be ill or disabled is in some way shafting the system.

Now I'm pretty certain that there are some that are (take Andy / Rotoguys / whatever name he's using this week - sure to pop up soon). If you're certain that they are shafting the system then we'll all applaud you for shopping them! If however your thoughts are based totally on unsubstantiated assumptions then I suggest that you quit the curtain twitching and put your life to better use.

krisskross

dori2o wrote: »

Maybe take a look at the crap you wrote in respone to my post.

Be part of the solution, not part of the problem, or f@ck off.

The solution at least in part is going to be the introduction of PIP. Regular assessments of claimants, not letting someone claim for 2 decades without any sort of assessment or up to date medical evidence.

Idiophreak

krisskross wrote: »

No one is apparently allowed to even suggest that there may be people claiming disability benefits dishonestly when there is not a single one of us who doesn't know someone who exaggerates, does not report improvements in condition etc. in order to keep the generous benefit payments associated with disability.

Err, I don't know anyone who's in receipt of any kind of disability benefit (that I'm aware of), so I'm certainly not aware of any of these antics - and I'd report them without hesitation if I did.

melanzana wrote: »

Personally, I would just be glad I'm able bodied, and count my blessings every day.

Oh great. I'm able bodied, so people should be allowed to rip me off?

dori2o

krisskross wrote: »

The solution at least in part is going to be the introduction of PIP. Regular assessments of claimants, not letting someone claim for 2 decades without any sort of assessment or up to date medical evidence.

If you believe that then you really are deluded.

PIP assessments will, just like the ESA assessments, target the genuinely disabled in the hope of catching a small percentage of those who do fake it.

PIP will do nothing to prevent those who play the system now, from playing the system in the future.

Instead those who rely on DLA now in order to live a reasonable existance, in order to pay for treatment the NHS refuses to pay for, who use it to equip themselves with the relevent aids to get by day to day, will be penalised and will lose the ability live as normal a life as possible.

flashnazia

dori2o wrote: »

Maybe take a look at the crap you wrote in respone to my post.

Be part of the solution, not part of the problem, or f@ck off.

Charming.

Parva

flashnazia, I only see two posts from you in this thread, both of which are designed to incite flames, please don't bother unless you have something useful to add. As for the rest of the flames why bother? The incoming changes are set to weed out the majority of the cheats and no doubt a damned sight more that aren't cheating the system and genuinely do need help who will be punished anyway.

Invalidation

SIGH !!

Dont feed the troll

How many times does it have to be said

krisskross

Invalidation wrote: »

SIGH !!

Dont feed the troll

How many times does it have to be said

New definition of troll appears to be someone who disagrees with you?

JimmyTheWig

p00 wrote: »

My neighbour who hasnt worked for over 20 years (bad back) and gets not only a blue badge but full mobility as well and his wife carers allowance has been abroad in their new huge motorhome for 8 weeks earlier this year and now 9 weeks travelling around Europe - with their nice new expensive bicycles in the back.

Should people claiming benefits really be able to take these long extended holidays and still claim off us tax paying workers?

Yes, they should. Why shouldn't they? [Are you really suggesting that a disabled person shouldn't be allowed to go on holiday?]
They appear to be using their income very wisely indeed. Maybe they do that by cutting down their shopping bill, or some other money saving technique.
Or maybe they've got more money than you would assume they have. Maybe he got a compensation pay-out for the accident 20 years ago? Maybe they had made good provisions for themselves in the time before that? Maybe they've got wealthy relatives (who they may have inherrited from)?

If your question is should these benefits be means tested, then I don't believe that they should. I believe that they should be taxable (and so those with significant other income would pay more tax on the benefits than those without) but I think everyone entitled should receive them.

I think your post does raise a valid question in that he appears to be off work with a bad back but able to cycle.
We don't know enough about his condition to know whether, for example, a two minute cycle ride is better for him than a five minute walk (e.g. from the camper van to the campsite shop). We don't even know if the bike is for him to use. They could be meeting others where they are going, one of whom doesn't have a bike.
Though while I think it's a valid question, it doesn't seem to be the question you are asking.