Anyone else been refused tap water in restaurant

qwert_yuiop

jenheiffer wrote: »

It's not in the legislation because it is only fairly recently that it has been an issue here, i.e. a few restaurants have become so mean and money-grabbing that they see fit to charge for tap water.

It's a recession - maybe it's the only way to stay solvent. They need water to maintain liquidity

jenheiffer

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

It's a recession - maybe it's the only way to stay solvent. They need water to maintain liquidity

Or to stay afloat?

adouglasmhor

RikM wrote: »

In the scottish act of 2005 it says something like "tap water fit for human consumption must be provided free of charge on request" under the mandatory conditions.

Can you point me to where it says that in the NI legislation? I can't see it. The only mentions of water are to do with it being available (with other non-alchoholic beverages) in some kinds of premises, and no mention of "free".

Is says nothing of the kind in any of the Scottish acts, what you are describing is a condition that can be applied (and has been for a range of issues in Edinburgh and Glasgow). And I linked to the bit that applied in the NI act, which does not mention water nor did I say it did, it says any condition can be applied the board sees fit.

So what are you waffling about? Have you even read the NI law in the link I posted?

RikM

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Is says nothing of the kind in any of the Scottish acts, what you are describing is a condition that can be applied (and has been for a range of issues in Edinburgh and Glasgow). And I linked to the bit that applied in the NI act, which does not mention water nor did I say it did, it says any condition can be applied the board sees fit.

So what are you waffling about? Have you even read the NI law in the link I posted?

Have you read the Scottish acts at the link? That's where the "mandatory condition" of free tap water was mentioned....(specifically the Scottish act of 2005, schedule 3, premises licenses: mandatory conditions). The point being that it's a condition of licensing on the mainland, but not in NI. Not that it can't be added, but that it's not there by default. Not diificult to find.

But thank you for confirming, that (as I and the MSE information had pointed out) there is no condition of free tap water in place in the normal course of licencing in NI.

Mistral001

I think what is new and probably annoying a lot of restaurants, is the fact that people here are now asking for "tap water". This I think is a recent form of wording that people are using, probably because of the law in England. At least I have only heard the term "tap water" being used in recent years.


It used to be that most people would just answer nothing when asked by the waiter what drinks they were wanting to order if they wanted just to drink plain water and then the host would just ask for a jug of water at sometime later so that everybody could have water with their meal, whether they ordered drinks or not.

jenheiffer

Mistral001 wrote: »

I think what is new and probably annoying a lot of restaurants, is the fact that people here are now asking for "tap water". This I think is a recent form of wording that people are using, probably because of the law in England. At least I have only heard the term "tap water" being used in recent years

The reason for that is that until relatively recently restaurants when asked for 'water' would automatically bring tap water - now they are just as likely to bring a bottle of ridiculously over-priced 'mineral water' instead. Nothing to do with legislation or the absence of it.

adouglasmhor

RikM wrote: »

Have you read the Scottish acts at the link? That's where the "mandatory condition" of free tap water was mentioned....(specifically the Scottish act of 2005, schedule 3, premises licenses: mandatory conditions). The point being that it's a condition of licensing on the mainland, but not in NI. Not that it can't be added, but that it's not there by default. Not diificult to find.

But thank you for confirming, that (as I and the MSE information had pointed out) there is no condition of free tap water in place in the normal course of licencing in NI.

All I pointed out was that the licensing authorities in NI can apply any reasonable condition they wish to a licence including free tap water on reguest, not that any such condition is mandatory, I really do not get your point if any and your communication issues are beyond the stage of being solved by posting on the internet. Thank you for confirming that in Scotland the condition which I referred to is mandatory I already knew that, it's still a condition not part of the core act.

RikM

adouglasmhor wrote: »

All I pointed out was that the licensing authorities in NI can apply any reasonable condition they wish to a licence including free tap water on reguest, not that any such condition is mandatory, I really do not get your point if any and your communication issues are beyond the stage of being solved by posting on the internet. Thank you for confirming that in Scotland the condition which I referred to is mandatory I already knew that, it's still a condition not part of the core act.

Ah. Number 4 I think:
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/03/02/standard-responses-to-online-stupidity/

adouglasmhor

RikM wrote: »

Ah. Number 4 I think:
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/03/02/standard-responses-to-online-stupidity/

Ah good the old reliable ad hominem, pretty much proves what I thought, you don't really understand what is being said so lash out with a personal attack instead.
Were you standing up in your pram, teddy bear in the corner with its arms and legs torn off when you posted that?

RikM

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Ah good the old reliable ad hominem, pretty much proves what I thought, you don't really understand what is being said so lash out with a personal attack instead.
Were you standing up in your pram, teddy bear in the corner with its arms and legs torn off when you posted that?

I find that humour is sometimes the best response to a bully... Not always; it depends on how determined they are to be obnoxious.