Indy: Economic circumstance is forcing grown adults to live like juveniles

FTBFun

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Have you looked at property prices in London recently? And compared them to average salaries? Not every 'professional' is a city trader earning £200k a year + bonus. And please don't fob me off with the commuting argument - what you save in house price you lose in skyrocketing train fares.

My wife and I could only afford to buy a house because my parents and my partner's parents gave us £110k to help us out. Many are not so lucky.

!!!!!!??? I bought my first place (a 1 bed flat admittedly) with a £27k deposit, and my next one will be £50k equity + money. What on earth did you buy?

FTBFun

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinions.

Your opinions are going to reach a lot less people than her's though.

Err, it's the Indie.......

A._Badger

FTBFun wrote: »

Err, it's the Indie.......

It's the Leftie delusion, FTB - they think the Independent and the Guardian are important becuase everyone else in the staffroom reads them.

Andy_L

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Have you looked at property prices in London recently? And compared them to average salaries?

Why would we compare property prices to average salaries (~£25k IIRC) when talking about 40 year-old professionals who, by definition, should be above the average?

antrobus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinions.

Your opinions are going to reach a lot less people than her's though.

Less people than you think. The Independent's circulation has crashed, down 50%. Now, who's clever idea was it to launch a tabloid version at 20p?

Percy1983

As much as the article is using extreme examples it does show the problems many are facing these days.

The bigger problem is workers are stuck in these situations and holding back on having relationships/children, meanwhile we pay some chavs more money and give them bigger houses just because they manager child number 6 so they can keep the fag money coming in.

ruggedtoast

ILW wrote: »

Any 40 year old "professional" who cannot afford to buy or rent a flat is not a professional at all.

There are many jobs that are overseen by a professional body and / or need a university degree.

Of the ones you presumably don't think 'count', I can name:

• HR
• Marketing
• Journalism
• Plumbing and heating
• Building
• Electrical work
• LIbraries
• Hair dressing
• Teaching
• Early years care
• Administration
• Computing
• Nursing
• Psychologist
• Counsellor
• Mental health worker
• Speech therapist

All of these professions, or whatever you want to call them, are populated by people who had to do some form of higher level study and training to get into them, and most likely have to do ongoing CPD.

A great many of them are not going to be able to pay the £200 - 300k necessary to get a suitable place to live anywhere near where a job for them may be, nor have much hope of ever doing so.

I know that to the braying jack-a$$es on this forum they barely count as people, especially if they have the temerity to be younger than 45. But out in the real world there are rather a lot of them and it is considered to be a rather more pressing issue.

ILW

Gracchus_Babeuf wrote: »

Have you looked at property prices in London recently? And compared them to average salaries? Not every 'professional' is a city trader earning £200k a year + bonus. And please don't fob me off with the commuting argument - what you save in house price you lose in skyrocketing train fares.

My wife and I could only afford to buy a house because my parents and my partner's parents gave us £110k to help us out. Many are not so lucky.

You can buy a house within the M25 for less than £200k.

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There are many jobs that are overseen by a professional body and / or need a university degree.

Of the ones you presumably don't think 'count', I can name:

• HR
• Marketing
• Journalism
• Plumbing and heating
• Building
• Electrical work
• LIbraries
• Hair dressing
• Teaching
• Early years care
• Administration
• Computing
• Nursing
• Psychologist
• Counsellor
• Mental health worker
• Speech therapist

All of these professions, or whatever you want to call them, are populated by people who had to do some form of higher level study and training to get into them, and most likely have to do ongoing CPD.

A great many of them are not going to be able to pay the £200 - 300k necessary to get a suitable place to live anywhere near where a job for them may be, nor have much hope of ever doing so.

I know that to the braying jack-a$$es on this forum they barely count as people, especially if they have the temerity to be younger than 45. But out in the real world there are rather a lot of them and it is considered to be a rather more pressing issue.

I would consider most of the to be trades.
The term professional is rather overused

Graham_Devon

Does the article say "baby boomer"?

I can only imagine that it does considering the scoffing so far on this thread.