Not Terribly Happy with Ikea - Updated.

leveller2911

tesuhoha wrote: »

Thank you Kitchen Designer. Yes, we are trying to do it the MSE way.

Jojo I must confess, he doesn't shout but he gets agitated, swears and throws things around. I.e. he threw the bin out the back door cos it was in his way. Also, he is often hunting round for things that are in plain view.

He reminds me of John Cleese in Falty Towers when his car conked out on the road.Got out went and picked up a branch from a tree and started knocking the 7 bells out of the car with the branch...

His first name isn't Basil is it?:D

keystone

Sorry I disappeared. Footie training for the small person of the house.

What I am envisaging is something like this:


where the blue lines are the decor panels. Is that correct? Of course the pelmet and the cornice are the same material / profile. I just use the "cornice" term to differentiate.

Hang the first tall cabinet. For the sake of argument lets start at the RHS. Offer the decor panel up to the RHS of the cab so that the top of the decor panel is flush with the top of the cab. This way when you fix the pelmet for this cab it will exactly fit between the two decor panels and will not hang below the lowest part. As far as front to back orientation is concerned you should find that the decor panels are oversized compared to the cabs and will protrude to the front. Thats not a concern as when the dorrs are hung it will all line up nicely. Clamp it in place using G cramps or similar using scrap timber to prevent damage to the decor panels which mark easily. Using the screws provided screw through 4 of the predrilled holes that take the shelf brackets to secure the decor panel. Remove clamps.

Offer up the LH decor panel, clamp in place as before and screw through again.

Offer up the RH short cabinet lining it up at the top with the top of the RH tall cab and the top of the decor panel.and secure it lightly. Screw through into the decor panel as before from the first small cab. Making sure all is level tighten up hanging brackets for both cabs.

Offer up the middle short cab and secure to the one already on the wall using the threaded sleeves and bolts provided. In this case make sure that you place these connectors where you do not want to put a shelf.

Same for the LH small cab.

Offer up the next decor panel as before to the LHS of the LH small cab clamping it in place and screw through as before.

Hang the last tall cab and repeat for the final decor panel.

You can then fix the cornice as a single piece.

Everything you need IS in the hardware packs supplied by Ikea.

I said on another thread just recently that Ikea were not immune to CS issues. You have just proved it.

Let us know how you get on and sorry if this is too late for tonight.

Where should I send my account for consultancy? :D

Cheers

tesuhoha

leveller2911 wrote: »

tesuhoha wrote: »

Thank you Kitchen Designer. Yes, we are trying to do it the MSE way.

Jojo I must confess, he doesn't shout but he gets agitated, swears and throws things around. I.e. he threw the bin out the back door cos it was in his way. Also, he is often hunting round for things that are in plain view.

He reminds me of John Cleese in Falty Towers when his car conked out on the road.Got out went and picked up a branch from a tree and started knocking the 7 bells out of the car with the branch...

His first name isn't Basil is it?:D

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

tesuhoha

keystone wrote: »

Sorry I disappeared. Footie training for the small person of the house.

What I am envisaging is something like this:


where the blue lines are the decor panels. Is that correct? Of course the pelmet and the cornice are the same material / profile. I just use the "cornice" term to differentiate.

Hang the first tall cabinet. For the sake of argument lets start at the RHS. Offer the decor panel up to the RHS of the cab so that the top of the decor panel is flush with the top of the cab. This way when you fix the pelmet for this cab it will exactly fit between the two decor panels and will not hang below the lowest part. As far as front to back orientation is concerned you should find that the decor panels are oversized compared to the cabs and will protrude to the front. Thats not a concern as when the dorrs are hung it will all line up nicely. Clamp it in place using G cramps or similar using scrap timber to prevent damage to the decor panels which mark easily. Using the screws provided screw through 4 of the predrilled holes that take the shelf brackets to secure the decor panel. Remove clamps.

Offer up the LH decor panel, clamp in place as before and screw through again.

Offer up the RH short cabinet lining it up at the top with the top of the RH tall cab and the top of the decor panel.and secure it lightly. Screw through into the decor panel as before from the first small cab. Making sure all is level tighten up hanging brackets for both cabs.

Offer up the middle short cab and secure to the one already on the wall using the threaded sleeves and bolts provided. In this case make sure that you place these connectors where you do not want to put a shelf.

Same for the LH small cab.

Offer up the next decor panel as before to the LHS of the LH small cab clamping it in place and screw through as before.

Hang the last tall cab and repeat for the final decor panel.

You can then fix the cornice as a single piece.

Everything you need IS in the hardware packs supplied by Ikea.

I said on another thread just recently that Ikea were not immune to CS issues. You have just proved it.

Let us know how you get on and sorry if this is too late for tonight.

Where should I send my account for consultancy? :D

Cheers

Thank you very much for your kind effort; you have gone to a lot of trouble. I tried to do a drawing on paint earlier but couldn't get it to paste.

Your drawing would be correct if the two long units were floor to ceiling high and then you moved the short units down to the floor. (they are base units, sorry that I didn't explain.) The centre small base unit will be the housing for the oven beneath a hob and above that will be an extractor. The end panels on the tall units go from floor to ceiling but they will only show above the work surface. So the smaller base units to the left and right have to be fixed to the high units to the left and right with an end panel in between.

My husband's problem was that the connecting screws were not long enough to go through the tall unit + end panel + base unit. He wanted to use the longer screws to line up the units and strengthen them. He has now solved the problem by buying the 60mm screws and cutting them down to 50mm. It looks very neat now.

If this is not clear please ask me. Thanks a lot for your input.:)

plantpot87

tesuhoha wrote: »

Jojo I must confess, he doesn't shout but he gets agitated, swears and throws things around. I.e. he threw the bin out the back door cos it was in his way. Also, he is often hunting round for things that are in plain view. He tells me the problem then when I make a suggestion its a stupid idea. Sometimes however I do manage to hit the nail on the head. (Excuse the pun)
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this sounds excatly like my dad, I'm very like him so I have no patience with him but my poor mum manages to dodge the flying item, put the things he cant see into his hand, tell him what will work he says it wont (with frustrated red face) and mash him a cup of tea come back with said cup of tea and low and behold he is doing what she sugested :rotfl:

keystone

tesuhoha wrote: »

Thank you very much for your kind effort; you have gone to a lot of trouble. I tried to do a drawing on paint earlier but couldn't get it to paste.

I did that with an excel spreadsheet, screen print, save as jpeg and uplift via imageshack. It didn't take very long.

Your drawing would be correct if the two long units were floor to ceiling high and then you moved the short units down to the floor. (they are base units, sorry that I didn't explain.) The centre small base unit will be the housing for the oven beneath a hob and above that will be an extractor. The end panels on the tall units go from floor to ceiling but they will only show above the work surface. So the smaller base units to the left and right have to be fixed to the high units to the left and right with an end panel in between.

OK. The principal is exactly the same though. Bear in mind that if you are using an extractor hood then the wall cabs will need decor panels either side of the hood actually thats true also if you are using a small cab above with an underslung recirculating fan. In both cases you'll also need corresponding decor panels in between the oven unit and the base units either side. Otherwise it will not all line up nicely floor to ceiling.

My husband's problem was that the connecting screws were not long enough to go through the tall unit + end panel + base unit.

As stated in my first post they don't need to - everything is supplied in the hardware packs and the method is as explained above. Some time since I looked at one but if you compare what I've said above I think you'll find it corresponds closely to the stick men pictogram paperwork. He's got cross because he's decided the method isn't to his liking. Thats not exactly Ikeas fault!

He wanted to use the longer screws to line up the units and strengthen them.

He didn't need to in either case actually but whats done is done and at least he's found a solution to his problem.

He has now solved the problem by buying the 60mm screws and cutting them down to 50mm

and spent a small fortune in fuel, emotional energy and time in the process.

It looks very neat now.

I am sure it does and you'll be very happy with it.

If this is not clear please ask me. Thanks a lot for your input.:)

No understood perfectly. My pleasure.

Cheers

PS BTW You never said how many base cabs were going under the granite for the island. You don't have to of course.

keystone

You mean like this:?



I haven't bothered with a chimney extract version just mentally replace the short cab and the undermounted recirc fan. The reason you need the decor panels either side is to avoid exposed carcass sides.

The red bit is the worktop.

Cheers

tesuhoha

keystone wrote: »

You mean like this:?



I haven't bothered with a chimney extract version just mentally replace the short cab and the undermounted recirc fan. The reason you need the decor panels either side is to avoid exposed carcass sides.

The red bit is the worktop.

Cheers

That's exactly it thanks. Except we have a small chimney. Yes we do have side panels for the wall cabinets. Not sure where the conflict lies but he was adamant he needed to use the longer screw and I don't want to bring it up again as we are all happy now. I did ask him earlier why he couldn't do it that way and he said that it wouldn't be accurate enough for him.

Anyway, personally, my gripe with Ikea is not so much that they didn't have the fitting but that they did not phone back to say they didn't. My husband asked (politely) for them to look for it and to phone back. The person he spoke to promised faithfully that he would. Therefore I got the impression that he was not interested in helping us. So yes it is a customer service issue.

southcoastrgi

whats the betting the extract fan is 600mm the same as the oven housing & with decor panels on the sides of the two wall units it won't fit as you will only have a 570mm-580mm gap, i hear more swearing coming up.

keystone

tesuhoha wrote: »

Anyway, personally, my gripe with Ikea is not so much that they didn't have the fitting but that they did not phone back to say they didn't. My husband asked (politely) for them to look for it and to phone back.

Yes thats a failing. But actually its a non existent problem. Your OH was looking for a fitting they they didn't have nor does the design require it so they didn't actually understand what he was on about and were probably very confused. But they should still have phoned back.

The person he spoke to promised faithfully that he would. Therefore I got the impression that he was not interested in helping us. So yes it is a customer service issue.

Yep thats poor and its no excuse but they are no better or worse than many others. On the other hand, not understanding what he was on about they may still (even now) be waiting for feedback from their technical people to be able to give a cogent answer. But still an "Ive referred it to technical" call wouldn't have hurt.

Cheers