A complicated tale...

Coupon-mad

mikey72 wrote: »

Said it twice.

OK, well I had seen the second quote and thought he meant he was paying £18 per month. I see from the OP that he's not.

I think that's a separate issue TBH that he needs to continue to take up with his employer, whilst ignoring any fake PCN from APCOA who are a toothless third party, after all.

Coupon-mad

mikey72 wrote: »

Couldn't keep it up though.

First google hit on hospital parking wales

http://www.cardiffandvaleuhb.wales.nhs.uk/Visitor-Parking-University-Hospital-Wales


up to £10 day now at the University Hospital

They say ''If you don't pay the required parking charge, you will be issued with a Civil Penalty Notice (a parking ticket).''

No such lawful thing from a private company.

taffy056

mikey72 wrote: »

Ignore the tickets, and the PPC. That's immaterial to this.

The op has agreed to pay £18 from his salary for a parking permit, but is now refusing to, and is parking there for "free".
This will be somewhere in the t&c's of his employment, but possibilty not directly, as he works for a different trust to that operating the hospital.

The trust (probably) has enough legal rights to offer parking, the case wasn't specifically only absolute landowner that could.

The trust has employed an agent to manage the car park, but do you really think it's going to be down to ignoring anything they stick to his car, or down to the refusal to buy the pass, and the feedback from the PPC to the trust, on an individual they ticket every time he parks?
If all staff do it, because one can, it's a lost revenue of £216 each a year, so even with 1000 employees that's around a quarter of a million pounds they'll lose.

So, just ignore may be ok at Asda, but maybe there's a bit more here to consider.

You are missing the point yet again, yes the trust can offer car parking and take the person driving to court if they have a mind to, but the ppc cannot as they are not the landowner, they have no legal right to offer car parking. So the agent has no legal standing at all and should be ignored.


As for paying to park and it effectively being a tax on workers its something the op needs to sort out with the trust. But if they need the vehicle to do their job as part of their role, and they must pay. It's effectively another tax to do a job, so paying to work. Like unfair contracts in other areas it can be deemed unfair that they have this in their contract of employment, though I have serious doubts it's in there.

mikey72

Another one free parking caused problems for, being abused by poor parking, and ignorant motorists just a year later.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/4692066.Four_hour_limit_on_hospital_parking/

Myriddin

Some good points raised by mikey72 - I hadn't considered that my livelihood may be in jeopardy! It's certainly looking as if I need to take a proactive approach to this situation rather than sitting back and waiting for the thunderstorm to gather.

I feel the best approach will be a collective grievance in the hope that my employing Trust can reach a compromise with the Acute Trust - possibly exemption from permit fees for those staff that are contracted to use their own cars for work puposes.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

You are missing the point yet again, yes the trust can offer car parking and take the person driving to court if they have a mind to, but the ppc cannot as they are not the landowner, they have no legal right to offer car parking. So the agent has no legal standing at all and should be ignored.


As for paying to park and it effectively being a tax on workers its something the op needs to sort out with the trust. But if they need the vehicle to do their job as part of their role, and they must pay. It's effectively another tax to do a job, so paying to work. Like unfair contracts in other areas it can be deemed unfair that they have this in their contract of employment, though I have serious doubts it's in there.

I wish you wouldn't keep draggpng the PPC into this, who gives a monkies about them. Look at the bigger question here.
Can the op keep doing as he is?

Of course not.

taffy056

mikey72 wrote: »

Couldn't keep it up though.

First google hit on hospital parking wales

http://www.cardiffandvaleuhb.wales.nhs.uk/Visitor-Parking-University-Hospital-Wales


up to £10 day now at the University Hospital

And that is being challenged, in the nhs trusts in , Bridgend, Neath port talbot, Swansea, carmartheninshire, Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire and Powys is free for visitors and staff, I know as my sister and brother in law works in all them

mikey72

Myriddin wrote: »

Some good points raised by mikey72 - I hadn't considered that my livelihood may be in jeopardy! It's certainly looking as if I need to take a proactive approach to this situation rather than sitting back and waiting for the thunderstorm to gather.

I feel the best approach will be a collective grievance in the hope that my employing Trust can reach a compromise with the Acute Trust - possibly exemption from permit fees for those staff that are contracted to use their own cars for work puposes.

A good approach. Lodge your protest, keep paying under duress for the time being, but tbh, if you get a free pass, it'll come from some other budget somewhere, and it won't be the managers.

taffy056

mikey72 wrote: »

I wish you wouldn't keep draggpng the PPC into this, who gives a monkies about them. Look at the bigger question here.
Can the op keep doing as he is?

Of course not.

Perhaps if you read the first post of the thread it would give you some context. They are involved no matter what you say about dragging them into the post! I am sorry you don't really understand that!

The bigger picture is the practice of the NHS trust involved, they are charging their staff to work, if the car is essential to this person's job, like my brother in law's with his, its effectively a tax on the person working that they don't have an option with. I would be more in mind of challenging that.

As for paying, that is down to the OP , he is an adult he must make the decision not us, all we can do is advise and that is it. Now the OP has a choice on what he wants to do.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

Perhaps if you read the first post of the thread it would give you some context. They are involved no matter what you say about dragging them into the post! I am sorry you don't really understand that!

The bigger picture is the practice of the NHS trust involved, they are charging their staff to work, if the car is essential to this person's job, like my brother in law's with his, its effectively a tax on the person working that they don't have an option with. I would be more in mind of challenging that.

As for paying, that is down to the OP , he is an adult he must make the decision not us, all we can do is advise and that is it. Now the OP has a choice on what he wants to do.

Indeed he has.
I hope he comes to an agreeable solution.

Personally, I find the PPC totally irrelevant to the solution after we all agreed they should be ignored, and I'll leave the politics to your brother in law, and yourself, as I only really want to answer the op, not sort out the taxation system of the UK.