Phased return to work

Fire_Fox

tea_lover wrote: »

I didn't realise you'd been present in all his meetings with HR, management and occupational health.

ETA: and whoever is telling you all this is incredibly unprofessional.

Leap to conclusions why don't you! There are many ways Lizzybop could have heard about the situation without anyone being incredibly unprofessional. Might be client at work or a service user of an organisation she volunteers for, might be friend or relative, might be a theoretical case in a course of study she is taking.

tea_lover

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Leap to conclusions why don't you! There are many ways Lizzybop could have heard about the situation without anyone being incredibly unprofessional. Might be client at work or a service user of an organisation she volunteers for, might be friend or relative, might be a theoretical case in a course of study she is taking.

The OP states she's never even met the person, so unlikely to be a friend or relative. It could be a client/service user, over the phone, but you'd want to hope someone supposed to be on your side didn't take to the internet to b*tch about you.

If it's anyone other than the individual involved talking to the OP, then workplace confidences are being broken.

euronorris

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Leap to conclusions why don't you! There are many ways Lizzybop could have heard about the situation without anyone being incredibly unprofessional. Might be client at work or a service user of an organisation she volunteers for, might be friend or relative, might be a theoretical case in a course of study she is taking.

Why would a client divulge SO much detail though, or an employee of a service he uses?

Even if it's a friend or relative, unless they work with him, how will they know how much effort he is putting in at work?

And if we take the OP's word, this is a genuine situation, not a theoretical case in a course.

TBH, I'm getting a strong impression that it's actually the person's immediate superior at work. Of course, I could be wrong, but that is the impression I am getting.

j.e.j.

well, I gather it's someone distant enough for OP never to have met him (or worked with him?) yet close enough for OP to be getting into a state of righteous indignation about him.

Point is, OP must be getting the information from a third person, and we're then getting it 3rd hand from the OP no??

I think the question about the holiday entitlement was in fact answered by a few people earlier in the thread.

Fire_Fox

tea_lover wrote: »

The OP states she's never even met the person, so unlikely to be a friend or relative. It could be a client/service user, over the phone, but you'd want to hope someone supposed to be on your side didn't take to the internet to b*tch about you.

If it's anyone other than the individual involved talking to the OP, then workplace confidences are being broken.

You leapt to conclusions, end of story. Unlikely in your OPINION does not give you the right to state CATEGORICALLY that anyone is incredibly unprofessional. The OP asked a straightfoward question, some people are ASSUMING or INFERRING bitterness or b1tching, there is no clear evidence of that. We can't see the OP's facial expressions, we can't hear the tone in her voice both of which are critical in communicating meaning.

I'm sick to death of some regulars expecting others to conform to a posting style instead of accepting diversity and giving people the benefit of the doubt. Some of us are plain speakers, put us on ignore or stop reading MSE if that offends you.

euronorris wrote: »

Why would a client divulge SO much detail though, or an employee of a service he uses?

Even if it's a friend or relative, unless they work with him, how will they know how much effort he is putting in at work?

And if we take the OP's word, this is a genuine situation, not a theoretical case in a course.

TBH, I'm getting a strong impression that it's actually the person's immediate superior at work. Of course, I could be wrong, but that is the impression I am getting.

What on earth are you asking me for? Why do you care so much? Stop reading the thread if you think the OP is incapable of telling the truth. Impression is formed by your interpretation, life experiences, prejudices and expectations, it is a million miles from an impartial process.

Fire_Fox

j.e.j. wrote: »

well, I gather it's someone distant enough for OP never to have met him (or worked with him?) yet close enough for OP to be getting into a state of righteous indignation about him.

Point is, OP must be getting the information from a third person, and we're then getting it 3rd hand from the OP no??

I think the question about the holiday entitlement was in fact answered by a few people earlier in the thread.

Yet more leaping to conclusions.

tea_lover

Fire_Fox wrote: »

stop reading MSE if that offends you.

I'm not offended in the slightest, just bemused as to why someone the OP has never even met (in their own words) is causing them such angst.

I work in occupational health and one of the biggest barriers to people successfully returning to work after long-term absence is ignorance by some colleagues/managers.

Fire_Fox

tea_lover wrote: »

I'm not offended in the slightest, just bemused as to why someone the OP has never even met (in their own words) is causing them such angst.

I work in occupational health and one of the biggest barriers to people successfully returning to work after long-term absence is ignorance by some colleagues/managers.

Good grief. Surely you wouldn't dream of making assumptions and dress up opinions as fact in your work life?

euronorris

Fire_Fox wrote: »

What on earth are you asking me for? Why do you care so much? Stop reading the thread if you think the OP is incapable of telling the truth. Impression is formed by your interpretation, life experiences, prejudices and expectations, it is a million miles from an impartial process.

I asked you, because you listed those reasons as possible alternatives. It's more a way of 'I can't see why xx would do xx. Can you?' question.

I didn't say the OP is incapable of telling the truth. Now who's jumping to conclusions? I was merely questioning how much truth there is in the statement 'I don't work with him'. There's nothing wrong with that, and I haven't categorically said that is the case. I could be wrong of course, but as this is the internet, and we aren't communicating with the OP face to face, impression and interpreation is the best we can do.

And I don't expect everyone to agree with that. But I am entitled to voice my opinion, just as everyone else is.

The OP can't offer proof that they don't work with them (and even if they could, it wouldn't be advisable). Nor can they offer proof that the person doesn't work hard etc etc. As with all threads, and especially claimed '3rd party re-telling' of stories/situations/issues, I take everything said with a pinch of salt.

tea_lover

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Good grief. Surely you wouldn't dream of making assumptions and dress up opinions as fact in your work life?

Not at all. Much like I wouldn't dream of discussing an employee's health issues on the internet with strangers.

ETA: anyway, clearly there's no point remaining on this thread so I'll leave you to it. My answer to the original question remains (as has been stated many times) that the annual leave is to be decided between the individual and their manager.

It would have been interesting to get an answer to the question of WHY the OP is so bothered by this but obviously it's their choice not to, which is fine.

I will just hope that they don't work with the individual being discussed, and that the people who do work with him are less inclined to mither themselves about someone else's holiday entitlement.