Phased return to work

Bambam

tea_lover wrote: »

Hardly! As is shown by this thread, not all employers work fairly, or even legally, in this area.

If they are such poor employers why give him a phased return to work?

tea_lover

Bambam wrote: »

If they are such poor employers why give him a phased return to work?

I wasn't necessarily talking about this particular employer, as clearly none of us (including the OP) know the details of the case.

Imp

It is entirely down to the negotiations and agreements between the employer and employee, and anyone else is only causing themselves unnecessary angst.

Lizzybop

euronorris wrote: »

Why on earth would you make this assumption?

IME, there are plenty of uncooperative employers around. Just because the law says they should act a certain way, doesn't mean they will.

I'm not saying that this person is genuine, or not. I don't know. You don't know, and neither does the OP. So it's pointless speculating.

Tealover was right first time though - the OP is bitter. And, I'm willing to bet, works with him (despite what he/she may say to the contrary).

How much do you wanna bet??

Err No I don't work with him - bet lost:D

So back to the original question.

Should they be able to take 3 half days off in order to have a full week holiday during a phased return to work?

tea_lover

Lizzybop wrote: »

So back to the original question.

Should they be able to take 3 half days off in order to have a full week holiday during a phased return to work?

So back to the original answer - it depends on their employment contract, and what's decided between them and their line manager and HR/OH.

It's naff all to do with you, by your own admission, so I don't see why you have your knickers in such a twist about it.

ETA: by OH in this context I mean occupational health, not other half.

Lizzybop

I think it's quite clear that there are other issues which he has been offered every assistance to try and address.

He has point blank refused.

He is focussing on 4 days per week as being the only answer.

I believe his salary level is very relevant.

I don't believe one can expect a very healthy salary without being expected to put in some effort to your work. Bambam has got it right I believe:

If the job requires someone to work 5 days and this person only wants to work 4 days, then who is going to 'take up the slack?' The company obviously think it cannot be done in 5 days or they would have agreed to the reduction in hours. A 5 day-a-week job being reduced to 4 days to accommodate someone is obviously going to have a knock-on effect to other employees, which IS unfair


My original question was about the holiday entitlement. Any thoughts about this?

I'm just off to suck a lemon to help with the bitter taste in my mouth

tea_lover

Lizzybop wrote: »

I think it's quite clear that there are other issues which he has been offered every assistance to try and address.

He has point blank refused.

I didn't realise you'd been present in all his meetings with HR, management and occupational health.

ETA: and whoever is telling you all this is incredibly unprofessional.

j.e.j.

You may get more advice about the holiday entitlement over on the Employment Board.

But ultimately I wonder what it is you're seeking from us? Would you like for us to say yes he is in the wrong. We can only speculate, as this isn't even second hand information we're getting here. You clearly have strong opinions about this person you've never met and don't work with and you seem to want to get into a lather about it!

IMO it's between the guy and the company. No-one else.

euronorris

Lizzybop wrote: »

I think it's quite clear that there are other issues which he has been offered every assistance to try and address.

How was that clear? We aren't psychic you know!

And if you don't know him, or work with him, how would you know??

He has point blank refused.

Again, how do you know?

He is focussing on 4 days per week as being the only answer.

I believe his salary level is very relevant.

I don't believe one can expect a very healthy salary without being expected to put in some effort to your work. Bambam has got it right I believe:

If the job requires someone to work 5 days and this person only wants to work 4 days, then who is going to 'take up the slack?' The company obviously think it cannot be done in 5 days or they would have agreed to the reduction in hours. A 5 day-a-week job being reduced to 4 days to accommodate someone is obviously going to have a knock-on effect to other employees, which IS unfair


My original question was about the holiday entitlement. Any thoughts about this?

I'm just off to suck a lemon to help with the bitter taste in my mouth

That question has been answered. Have you not read the replies?

Are you his manager, or HR rep or something?

12sapphire

Jeez! Some of you people need to lighten up. The OP posted a perfectly valid question in her thread and asked for people's opinions on the content of that post. She did not ask to be called bitter and have her honesty questionned. I haven't been a member of this forum for very long but already I've noticed that some members 'slap down' other members for daring to have a different opinion. I thought that's what a forum was all about - helping members. Stop with the insults folks!