Social housing on new estate - where do we stand!

BobQ

lukepugh wrote: »

Another pointless post.
Does this answer the question I asked?

They may all be nice people and they may not judge me and I would not judge them!

My problem is with the devolper lying about the social housing ... not the poeple living in them.

If you had bothered to read the whole thread then would see that my concern with social housing ,FROM MY EXPERINCE, is that the type of people that I have moved home to try and avoid are more likley to end up in social housing and that given the choice would not want to live near them.... !

Could you please explain why think I am prejudice?

I only read your original post which was about whether you could take action against a developer for misleading you. It may not be the answer you wanted, but to me your post seemed absurd, because you cannot choose your neighbours, many of whom may well have the same chavvy traits you attribute to some in social housing.

I did not say you were prejudiced, just that not everyone judges people by the type of housing they occupy. By posting about concerns over living near social housing and referring to noise chavvy neighbours" you give that impression as others have noted.

BobQ

IHateDida wrote: »

I don't think you are - and anyone of the opinion that you are, should try living near people who cause problems. Its just unfortunate that yours were caused by people who came from social housing (and so were mine).

We all want to avoid something that has caused us pain/upset in the past, whatever that may be. I won't buy a new build ever again for fear of past events repeating themselves (unfortunately caused by people who lived in HA properties). I would be exactly the same if say I lived in a student area, and students had caused me problems before - I wouldn't want to live near students - would that be prejudice too????

All I can say, is that the people who are questionning your ethics - clearly have never had problems with where they live and should count themselves lucky.

This rather makes my point. A modern housing estate can be occupied by anyone and a developer cannot guarantee the behaviour of those who live in the properties. Many local authorities require new builds to have afforable housing nearby, but housing associations sometimes buy groups of houses for rent. BTL landlords buy properties there, parents sometimes buy a house ant let their student son and his mates live there. We can all say we do not want to live next to these people but in reality you cannot control it, and neither can a developer.

IHateDida

BobQ wrote: »

We can all say we do not want to live next to these people but in reality you cannot control it, and neither can a developer.

I completely agree with you and wherever we move to, all comes with some degree of risk as to who our neighbours are.

I am looking preferably for a period property in an established neighbourhood so hopefully I can try and avoid the problems that I came across before (by a few inconsiderate HA tennants) - but like you say, no one can make any guarantees as to who will be my neighbours (but I am hoping I lessen my chances of history repeating itself with my choice of area!).

pcmarky

look, nothing worse than the drug dealing, staffie owning, tracksuit wearing, baseball cap sporting, unemployed thicko rocked right up against your new private home! The grass all long, the dog !!!! all building up, car parts in the garden....seen it all too often....oh and yeh...am a snob, but a decent hardworking one! Turn up the music Chantelle!!!!

phill99

pcmarky wrote: »

look, nothing worse than the drug dealing, staffie owning, tracksuit wearing, baseball cap sporting, unemployed thicko rocked right up against your new private home! The grass all long, the dog !!!! all building up, car parts in the garden....seen it all too often....oh and yeh...am a snob, but a decent hardworking one! Turn up the music Chantelle!!!!

Who rattled your cage

paulineb_2

vectra90 wrote: »

Oh and before people get excited about everything. I have a child and I grew up in council housing, which made me even more determined to work hard in life to get the things I want and buy my own house. I just cant understand why people just accept defeat at such a young age and the fact they are going to amount to nothing and just give up??

Hope I didn't offend anyone, but in this day and age where it is acceptable to be one of these wasters and live your whole life with this attitude just breaks me!

I grew up in council housing as well, but on a decent council estate, many of the homes have now been bought by tenants. My mum still lives there. Living in a council house had no stigma when I was young, there seems to have become more of a stigma over the last few years or so.

Not buying a house doesnt mean you dont make anything of yourself. I have a degree, I have two post grads, Ive done managerial jobs, but the sector I worked in wasnt well paid and buying a flat was beyond me. Ive been in a council flat for the past 18 years and yes some of the people who live around here (I live in a much rougher estate than the one I grew up in) fit your stereotypical chav description.

But others certainly dont. And I can assure you having worked in very wealthy areas as a youth worker, some of the most affluent areas Ive worked in have also been the most dangerous. Because some parents who had a lot of cash had nil time for their kids and use to give them a lot of money so they could go out and do whatever with it, get drunk, take drugs

Also, sometimes its lack of education, social exclusion and poverty that traps people where they are. I was encouraged to go to university, so was my brother. My mum and uncle went to uni back in the 60s, they were the first from our family to do so, they had education opportunities that my grandparents didnt have even though they were very clever people.

If I moved into a house that Housing Association, in a private estate, Id be the same person I am now. There are two private developments within walking distance of the housing scheme I live in, some have housing association flats in the area, not many, but a few and I believe in order to get one of those flats people had to have a clean disclosure check, references as well.

I try my very best not to judge a book by its cover, because I would hate to have people look at me and labelling me something just because I live on a council estate thats seen better days.

Having worked with young people on benefit for a long time, many of these people werent "wasters" and would "amount to nothing", a lot of them came from dysfunctional background where they got nil support and had to work hard to try and make a decent life for themselves.

And yes, there are people who live in certain types of housing and dont give a stuff about anyone and everyone and how much anti social nuisance they cause, but you could buy a private home next to nightmare neighbours, you take your chances anywhere you go.

I worked in a town about ten years ago where some of the poshest houses were occupied by some of the biggest drug families in a large city in Scotland who had moved about 20 miles away on the proceeds of their drug dealing. Youd have paid about £500 000 to live next door to them and their extended families.

Building_Surveyor

i have just bought a new build. moved in end of March. im in the corner next to 3 4bed housing association property's. there's also a private detached 4 bed on the other side. They are honestly some of the nicest neighbours ive had. gardens are kept just as clean as the rest, they all go out to work just like the rest of us, very friendly, and there kids arent running wild. Not a chav in sight. Its a lovely estate and everyone seems to follow suit.

on the contrary in my previous home i lived next to privately owned which was owned by the most vile couple i have ever met. everyone in the close knew exactly what they were like and knew it was hell for me to live directly next door to them.

Anyone can be the neighbour from hell!

knightstyle

We have lived across the road to several social housing rented houses and all has been fine, nice people, decent kids.
But our daughter also lived near some elsewhere and she had nothing but trouble, breaking down fences for fires in their front garden, several cars for sale parked on pavements, blocking her driveway. Kids out till after midnight screaming and kicking footballs against my daughters house. Complaints got her nowhere and she dared not make an official complaint as she would have to have declared it when she sold a few years later. She ended up of work with depression.
So it all depends on luck.

Dan-Dan

phill99 wrote: »

Who rattled your cage

a drug dealing, staffie owning, tracksuit wearing, baseball cap sporting, unemployed thicko ?

Nada666

lukepugh wrote: »

We recently purchased a new house and one of the things that swayed us to choose the house we did is that the developer told us that there was no social housing nearby.

Stopped reading after the very first sentence. May come back with some popcorn, though.