Parking Eye........gulp! (Romford Ice Rink)

Blondie79

I have read a lot of threads on Parking Eye's disgraceful behaviour after receiving a 'Parking Charge Notice to Owner' myself yesterday. I am new to MSE so please be kind to me as I haven't quite established how to use the site properly yet and I can see that the 'regulars' on here sometimes tell us newbies off for posting in the wrong places!! So fingers crossed......

I received my 'Parking Charge Notice to Owner' after coming back from holiday and it states that I have to pay by tomorrow or risk it being increased to £80. and the £110. I was simply dropping my child off at the Ice Rink to meet friends but unforuntately the friends were late and I had to sit in the car for just over half an hour waiting, rather than 'dumping' my child and driving off. My understanding had always been that users of the Ice Rink could park for free. After receiving the 'Notice' I checked the Ice Rink's website and it seems that parking rules have changed. Users now have to put their car registration number into a machine inside the Rink to qualify for free parking. But I just wanted to 'drop off' and go!

Please can someone, anyone give the courage to ignore this Parking Charge Notice. I can see conflicting posts over whether to ignore this Charge or pay up! I can see that is not worth 'Appealing' - even though I do have the receipt confirming entry to the Ice Rink .:(

Help

bazster

Conflicting posts? I doubt it. I suspect the advice will be unanimous - and you already know what it is!

Stephen_Leak

Thank you for starting a new thread. But, where are all these posts saying to pay up?

Only councils, the police, train operators and Transport for London can impose legally enforceable fines or penalties. A private parking company (PPC) can't. However, they can issue speculative invoices.

Any warning signs are usually so badly positioned and worded, that they won’t have created a fair and legally binding deemed contract with a driver entering the car park in the first place. See The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997 and Excel Parking Services vs. Cutts, Stockport, 2011.

All the car park owner (CPO) can claim from a driver in damages for any alleged breach of any alleged contract is what they’ve lost as a result. If it’s in a free car park or the driver paid, this is £0.00. Demanding more has been judged to be unreasonable and therefore an unfair contract penalty under the terms of The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997, which is not legally enforceable. See Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co. Ltd. vs. New Garage & Motor Co. Ltd., House of Lords, 1914 and countless cases since.

There are also now recent landmark court cases, VCS Parking Control vs. Ronald Ibbotson, S!!!!horpe, 2012, HM Revenue & Customs vs. VCS Parking Control, Lower Tax Tribunal, 2012 and VCS Parking Control vs. HM Revenue & Customs (Appeal), Upper Tax Tribunal, 2012. In these cases, the judges ruled that only the CPO can charge for parking and take alleged offenders to court. The Upper Tax Tribunal is equivalent to the High Court, and therefore its judgements set legal precedents.

We don’t condone not paying or overstaying in a pay car park. If you owe the CPO the original charge, then you ought to write to the CPO, offering this in “full and final settlement”.

In any event, you should write to the CPO, advising them that they are "jointly and severally liable" for the actions of their agents, the PPC, and that any further actions by either of them would be regarded as harassment under the terms of The Protection from Harassment Act 1997. This ought to make the CPO call off the PPC and, maybe, also realise the potential cost of doing business with a PPC.

Don’t appeal to the PPC. They always reject them. What’s in it for them to let anyone off?

If the letter to the CPO doesn’t have the desired effect, the PPC, then a debt collector and then a solicitor will send you a series of letters. The debt collector and solicitor are usually also the PPC, but using different headed paper. These letters will threaten you with every kind of financial and legal unpleasantness imaginable to try and intimidate you into paying.

Continue to ignore everything you get from the PPC and their aliases. Eventually, they will run out of empty threats and stop throwing good money after bad.

verityboo

Its a free car park and your actions have not cost them anything - ignore!

Coupon-mad

Your heading could be corrected to 'Parking Eye....LOL!!!!!!!!!!' And you have posted in the right place as you've started your own thread.

Welcome to MSE, you just dodged a scam! My 18 year old 'new driver' niece has collected FOUR Parking Eye fake PCNs so far this year and she texts me with a big smiley every time 'I got another one, Auntie, they reckon I was there 4 hours!! '. She knows the score, knows it's all a con and she's a mere youngster. The same confidence can be felt by every newbie here if they read the right info threads.

Conflicting posts? Show me a post that tells you to pay and I will show you a parking company troll pretending yet again to be an ordinary new poster. Yes they are so worried about their little scam getting known that they come on here about once a week to post some old misleading dross that soon gets deleted!

Typical thoughts that newbies have in error, about these fake PCNs:

They think it's a real parking fine = WRONG.

They think because the DVLA release the registered keeper's data that the PPC must have some sort of authority = WRONG.

They think that because major retailers like Supermarkets use these firms that it 'can't be a scam' = WRONG.

They think that a debt collector can/will call round = WRONG.

They believe the empty threats in the 'debt collector' letters = WRONG.

They think that it may affect their credit rating = WRONG.

Just play snap with the letters, it's EASY. I am an ordinary wife and Mum with a responsible job and clean credit record and I have ignored 2 fake PCNs. I would very happily collect more and laughed when I got both of mine.

See my signature. Click once, where it tells you to, on the end of the small blue link>chain lettering at the top of this page. Look at the current forum, read the sticky thread second from the top 'PPC letter chains'. Watch the Watchdog youtube clip linked on there and read the other links & info given by Crabman on that thread. Check out the letter-chain pics so you know what to expect = MORE LETTERS!

It's only junk mail, nothing more. No more bothersome than deleting a series of phishing emails, honestly.

bondy_lad

hi there and welcome, its dead simple, you have recieved a FAKE ticket, purely which imitates the real thing, to clarify,, you have a PARKING charge notice=fake/con/fiddle/scam/unenforceable,,ok,still with me,,,the real deal is called a PENALTY charge notice=legit,issued only by police/traffic wardens/transport for london,this has to be paid,,,but hey, you dont have this,so completely ignore everything you recieve from or on behalf of these clowns, they are all part of this SCAM,,read the stickies on what letters to expect,they are all nonsense,but do not mistake them for genuine,thats why you must read the stickies and what letters to expect,,nothing will/can happen as a result of this,they know, we know, now you do,relax, chill, feet up, glass of wine,come back as often as you like for reassurance and the best advice you will get anywhere,worry not,and we are here to help you, by now ime sure you know this.

fivetide

The fact Coupon-mad has to cut and paste the same info so many times says there aren't any conflicting posts.

Relax, file them in the bin.

5t.

Blondie79

Just found this on YouTube:
youtu.be/oZg7SI7xAY0 remember to put the http://

Confirms all that you have told me and contains information on what to write to the PPC, if you so wish

Thanks for the help :j

bazster

Blimey Blondie79, right message, wrong messenger!

That guy and the "Truth Hunters" website he refers to are as mad as a box of frogs. The initial clue is his use of the phrase "No Contract Return to Sender", a phrase much-favoured by "Freemen on the Land" (FMOTL), a bunch of fruitcakes if ever there were:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman-on-the-land

Do NOT use this phrase yourself unless you want to be marked out as someone who is One Chair Short of a Set!

And if you actually look at his website you find a whole smorgasbord of the world's nuttiest conspiracy theories, and you very soon discover that he is in fact a disciple of the High Priest of Looney Tunes himself, David Icke (which is where FMOTL clues almost invariably end up leading).

The moral being, just because someone says something on the internet don't make it true, and because this chump happens to be largely right on one issue that doesn't make him worth listening to on anything else!

Blondie79

Just looked up the link and I can totally see what you mean!! :rotfl:

bazster wrote: »

Blimey Blondie79, right message, wrong messenger!

That guy and the "Truth Hunters" website he refers to are as mad as a box of frogs. The initial clue is his use of the phrase "No Contract Return to Sender", a phrase much-favoured by "Freemen on the Land" (FMOTL), a bunch of fruitcakes if ever there were:

(had to delete link because I'm new)

Do NOT use this phrase yourself unless you want to be marked out as someone who is One Chair Short of a Set!

And if you actually look at his website you find a whole smorgasbord of the world's nuttiest conspiracy theories, and you very soon discover that he is in fact a disciple of the High Priest of Looney Tunes himself, David Icke (which is where FMOTL clues almost invariably end up leading).

The moral being, just because someone says something on the internet don't make it true, and because this chump happens to be largely right on one issue that doesn't make him worth listening to on anything else!

bazster

beadlepoke wrote: »

And that's just his opinion, which is as valid as David Ickes.

The only person who David Icke's opinion could equal in validity would be a fellow "human singularity of insanity" who also believes that the world is "secretly controlled by evil shape-shifting lizard-people from the 4th dimension".

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

Are you such a singularity?

(Actually, don't answer that, let's not take this any further off-topic).