Son left education- losing large percentage tax credits

Dunroamin

dktreesea wrote: »

Really? There are heaps of children in Scotland, in S5 and S6, who stay at school because they can't get places on college courses. A complete waste of time and money, restricting entry to vocational courses because the government claims it can't afford to provide places for everyone who requires them. Those same children probably won't have suddenly decided on an academic career and going to uni, just because they had to stay on.

What's the point of keeping children in the education system until they are 19 when they could have been done and dusted, fully qualified and out in the workforce by 17 or 18?

In England, there are normally college places for everybody who wants one. There are precious few careers you can be fully qualified for at the age of 17.

Own_My_Own

Dunroamin wrote: »

They won't have to stay in education, it's "education and training" which includes apprenticeships and jobs with training. What they won't be able to do is sit round at home all day playing games.

As with most things on here, you seem to know an awful lot about it.
Just wondering how many kids you still have at school, and how many teachers you have spoken to about it, as you know so much.

The teachers at my dd school have made it quite plain. If a child wishes to stay they will have to let them.

Obviously you know more than they do.
But then you do seem to know a lot about everything discussed on here.

silvercar

The teachers at my dd school have made it quite plain. If a child wishes to stay they will have to let them.

Round here, the decent schools are still imposing entry requirements on studying the serious subjects at A level. Generally about 6 B grades at gcse plus a high grade in any subject they wish to study. Those who don't meet the mark are being directed towards fe colleges or NVQ qualifications and the like. The schools are not going to damage the education they provide or their position in the league tables.

Own_My_Own

Dunroamin wrote: »

In England, there are normally college places for everybody who wants one. There are precious few careers you can be fully qualified for at the age of 17.

Do you have proof of that ? A link maybe ?
How do you know that there will be enough places ?

Dunroamin

Own_My_Own wrote: »

As with most things on here, you seem to know an awful lot about it.
Just wondering how many kids you still have at school, and how many teachers you have spoken to about it, as you know so much.

The teachers at my dd school have made it quite plain. If a child wishes to stay they will have to let them.

Obviously you know more than they do.
But then you do seem to know a lot about everything discussed on here.

Having to keep them at school is a different issue; I expect most schools to put on suitable courses, they're not going to let kids without the relevant qualifications do A levels.

As I said, they don't have to stay "in education" (although they may choose to), despite the misinformation that's bandied about online. You don't need to take my word for it,

"The proposals will not mean that students must stay in the classroom, but they will have to continue with training.
Under the plans, 16 and 17-year-olds would face three choices: stay on at school, studying for a Level 3 qualification; go to a further education college to study a full-time vocational course; or take the employment route, but with a guaranteed minimum level of training, such as an apprenticeship."

http://www.trainingzone.co.uk/topic/education-and-training-be-compulsory-under-18s

Own_My_Own

Dunroamin wrote: »

Having to keep them at school is a different issue; I expect most schools to put on suitable courses, they're not going to let kids without the relevant qualifications do A levels.

As I said, they don't have to stay "in education" (although they may choose to), despite the misinformation that's bandied about online. You don't need to take my word for it,

"The proposals will not mean that students must stay in the classroom, but they will have to continue with training.
Under the plans, 16 and 17-year-olds would face three choices: stay on at school, studying for a Level 3 qualification; go to a further education college to study a full-time vocational course; or take the employment route, but with a guaranteed minimum level of training, such as an apprenticeship."

http://www.trainingzone.co.uk/topic/education-and-training-be-compulsory-under-18s

You have a habit of going off course when questioned don't you.

My orginal point stands. I am glad my dd is not going to be affected by this, as they will be pupils who don't really want to be there next year.

You seem to have a problem with this.

Dunroamin

Own_My_Own wrote: »

Do you have proof of that ? A link maybe ?
How do you know that there will be enough places ?

FE college funding is very much based on "bums on seats" so colleges are usually happy to expand numbers.

http://www.education.gov.uk/childrenandyoungpeople/youngpeople/participation/transitionintoeducationandtraining/a0064102/offersofeducationandtraining

Dunroamin

Own_My_Own wrote: »

You have a habit of going off course when questioned don't you.

My orginal point stands. I am glad my dd is not going to be affected by this, as they will be pupils who don't really want to be there next year.

You seem to have a problem with this.

I don't have a problem, you're the one who seems to have the problem with accepting accurate information when given.

Anyway, schools and colleges have been affected by this for years, ask any teacher or lecturer about students staying on just to receive EMA and child related benefits.

silvercar

Own_My_Own wrote: »

Do you have proof of that ? A link maybe ?
How do you know that there will be enough places ?

I am guessing there will be enough places, because there will be funding, so bums on seats equals money for the schools.

I suspect that it will be like the fight for school places, there are enough to go round but they are not all in places where you would want to send your child.

The hope is that there will be enough diversity to allow each student to find a suitable place that serves their academic/ vocational needs. Schools and colleges matching the opportunities they offer to the pupils they want to attract and enough choice to make it a real choice for potential students.

Own_My_Own

Dunroamin wrote: »

I don't have a problem, you're the one who seems to have the problem with accepting accurate information when given.

Anyway, schools and colleges have been affected by this for years, ask any teacher or lecturer about students staying on just to receive EMA and child related benefits.

I think you do have a problem. When I first joined MSE you gave advice and helped people.
But resently you have begun to come across as a bored retired housewife who is ignored in the real world. All your comments are either righteous or spiteful.
When is the last time you actually offered someone advice that wasn't just 'Get a job' or ' I never claimed like you.'

If your horse gets any higher you will hit your head on the ceiling with a bang.

You have no children at school and know nothing about it apart from what you gave read on Google, but you are still here pretending you know it all.

You home live must be very sad if this is the only enjoyment you get.