benefits question

EmmaHerts

mynameistallulah wrote: »

Benefits are a safety net for when you have no alternative, not for lifestyle choices.

Christ- what a hard society we have become.

bankhater_1965

mynameistallulah wrote: »

Benefits are a safety net for when you have no alternative, not for lifestyle choices.

thats the problem .. no alternative has arrived

marybelle01

EmmaHerts wrote: »

Christ- what a hard society we have become.

This is what benefits have always been for. It has nothing to do with being hard. They are a safety net. Always have been. But may not always will be.

sarahg1969

EmmaHerts wrote: »

I see the tax and N.I I pay as a safety net for the future.

Agreed. However, it is not a savings plan.

banner188

It is amazing how irrelevant this argument is.

We live in a society where a working couple on low wages, with children, are barely better off than their non working counterparts.

Deadbeats, workshy, criminals, alcoholics and druggies are left to there own devices on benefits because society hasn't got a clue how to deal with them.

Many high earning individuals dupe the tax system and do not pay there rightful taxes.

And the biggest drain are the so called "workers" in the system who drain most of the country's wealth, ie. useless managers and paper pushers, deadwood workers who ride on the backs of others in everyday jobs and all the overpaid pricks from bankers to footballers!


And people are here moaning about a mother wanting to be there for their child whilst the father works for a lowly income. jeez!!

EmmaHerts

marybelle01 wrote: »

This is what benefits have always been for. It has nothing to do with being hard. They are a safety net. Always have been. But may not always will be.

You don't know their situation, neither do I. It is just assumed that it is a life-style choice.

And to the best of my knowledge, women used to be given a period of time to raise their babies until being pressured to find a job.

Edit: Not trying to fight with anyone, just think that someone taking time out to look after a small baby is a worthwhile endeavour. I am sure I would feel differently if the lady had never contributed to the "pot", but she has.

tescobabe69

EmmaHerts wrote: »

I see the tax and N.I I pay as a safety net for the future. I assumed other people did too? If I ever had to claim benefits I would consider that I had funded it myself out of the fortune I have been taxed my whole working life.

Sorry Emma you have totally misinterpreted the benefits system.
For every pound you pay in there are millions of people waiting to claim that pound and another 30p on top. Thats why the benefit system is running a deficit, billions being paid in , but even more billions being taken out, I hope you're not counting on getting a state pension ?

chris1973

And people are here moaning about a mother wanting to be there for their child whilst the father works for a lowly income. jeez!!

Since, the working population currently consists of a very large percentage of working parent(s) I wonder what would happen to the benefits system if every parent followed a similar philosophy and gave up working 'to be there for their child(ren)'.

Imagine that, several million people all quitting their jobs, which will result in several million less tax payers in the system and several million less tax payments going into the benefits pot.

Suddenly, there is more being paid out than it coming in, because nobody goes to work anymore, the majority, are now all at home, raising their kids.

But it wouldn't just end there either, because then you also have the additional burden of those several million people, all wanting to claim additional benefit help, in order to replace the salary they have given up

Be careful what you wish for. Because when that happens nobody will be getting a penny

Morlock

chris1973 wrote: »

Imagine that, several million people all quitting their jobs, which will result in several million less tax payers in the system and several million less tax payments going into the benefits pot.

Imagine that wages weren't so low and house prices so over inflated that a family could live comfortably whilst only one adult in the household worked. Like what happened 50 years ago.

tescobabe69

Morlock wrote: »

Imagine that wages weren't so low and house prices so over inflated that a family could live comfortably whilst only one adult in the household worked. Like what happened 50 years ago.

Working women in part are responsible for that.