Job Fears: I am about to become part of the working poor?

dandelionclock30

If you do take the job, you could after 6 months or so then start applying for the council jobs in gyms/pools and jobs at places like virgin active etc which are better paid than NMW.
Theres also outdoorsy places you could apply to if you are into that. I would do it, for something to do and a reference thats upto date.
I hear what your saying, but the job sounds o.k its not going to be like being in a boring call centre or something like that.
Why dont you write a list of all the pros and cons and then make your mind up.? Also who gives a flying f about those peole who have worked all there lives? so what? Its not most peoples fault they have no job, let the state pay for the unemployed.

bankhater_1965

Martynb_ wrote: »

Absolutely. Progression. Yes, in theory, but in practice the reality is very different. Where there is an opportunity to progress, it must benefit the business ultimately. If progression means paying your staff a higher wage there must be the money to do that. Is there money to do that? Not always. I think it depends upon many factors.

As for me choosing not to work. Well, I am choosing not do a particular job in order to safeguard the stability I have at the moment. I do not want to find that a month into the job I can no longer afford to the pay the rent and find myself without a home. Worse still: not being able to afford food. I dread going to a food bank, especially if I am working.

I believe that work should work to get you out of poverty not stay in it. Call me old fashioned if you will, but I'm no slave. I either stay as I am or make work pay. You want me to work? - I do - then help me make it pay instead of throwing me cliches.

you are a good example of the lost generation that previos goverments and this generation (my generation) have created and failed you

Martynb_

McKneff wrote: »

I have worked on my days off, because I needed to feed my kids. Ive just retired and spent the last 47 years working my !!!! off, except for 2 years when I had my children, and yes, sometimes on my day off,

I dint mean work all day on your day off, I meant a couple of hours on an evening or something like that.

No offence intended but you say this is your dream job but your not prepared to fight for it, your posts are coming over as very negative. What more motivation do you want. This could be the chance youve been waiting for.

Up and at 'em is what I say
Annie

My definition of a dream job comes with all the necessary trappings. The same trappings that everyone else hopes they get when they start work. Is thus unreasonable? I'm not taking about mansions and gold studded diamond watches. I'm worried about working myself into poverty. No-one goes to work each day thinking that they love their job because they are making their community a better place to live, or because they are making their boss happy. They go to work to avoid starvation, to feed their kids, to pay the bills, to give themselves a better life.

But if work does none of that then what is the point? I do not believe in this so-called self-esteem or self-respect malkarky. I think this came out as a result of the Protestant work ethic of the 18-1900s when they believed if you worked hard you could get to heaven, and when the Upper classes preached to the lower classes the dignity of work whilst they themselves remained indignant.

I believe that work should be a means out of poverty. This is what it should be for.

Martynb_

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

you are a good example of the lost generation that previos goverments and this generation (my generation) have created and failed you

It is possible. Managed decline was what they wanted in Liverpool when Thatcher was in power. Blair promised jobs but the city appeared to have been the center of the job creation boom, with a trickle-down affect going to the towns that used to have an industrial base. We moved from industry (like glass, coal and steel) to customer services and finance.

princessdon

A prime example of why benefits are too high. It should be a no brainer - not a tough decision.

Taadaa

Martynb_ wrote: »

I know what the job is. I know what my skills are. There are people with mathematics degrees stacking shelves in Tesco. There are people with skills in business and entrepeneureal studies driving trains. There are personal trainers with degrees in physionogmy and sport science who only clean the gym toilets and fix a few machines when they break down. I am qualified for this job. But that is not my issue. My issue is about money.

Yep, and there are 18 year olds who land jobs with hefty commissions because they have got the gift of the gab and can sell tea to China. Someone having a degree may be an indication of their intelligence, not their skill. Having knowledge and being able to apply it are two different things.

And no, it isn't reasonable to expect to have so much money you can afford a holiday, a new car and new clothes from what you have referred to as your first job, unless you can sell tea to China. There are people that have been working for years that can't afford that, and you have a sense of entitlement earned from not doing a single day's work in two years. Yon wanted everyone to say 'poor you, don't take a job that will only leave you £30 a week better off' and instead you got the truth and are arguing because it's not what you want to hear.

I've changed my mind. Don't take the job. Let someone who really wants and needs it have the opportunity. You can sit there waiting for your dream job to come along. Good luck - I will wager now you will still be waiting in another two years' time.

bankhater_1965

princessdon wrote: »

A prime example of why benefits are too high. It should be a no brainer - not a tough decision.

benefits reflect the cost of living ! if a pint of milk & a loaf of bread was 5p benefits would be much lower

ska_lover

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

this is way out of order, you are asking someone to work for £40 a week over a 38 hour week , after loosing benefits it does nt work out even the nmw in the differance between the 2 , there is no choice, dont blame the person blame the goverment , your CHOOSE & LIKES are out of order, and you would lie if you said you would work for pitance either

This is where you get it so wrong, this kind of thinking is very naive. Please think of the BIGGER picture not just the general lazy apathetic attitude of 'owt for the easiest....'. I suggest that a few people check out 'self respect' in the dictionary. How can you have respect for yourself when a bunch of strangers are paying your rent? This bunch of strangers, might well be IN that low income job which you turned down because you thought you were too good for it.

Everyone has to start somewhere, an entry level position, you cannot expect go go in and earn a great wage straight off - it is all about getting in with a company and proving yourself, getting a promition and working your way up.

I was a single parent, and took low paid entry level work, rather than be on benefits and therefore teach my children that sponging is the way to live. Through tenancity and hard graft I worked my way up from the entry level position and am now a branch manager on a very repectable income thank you very much. Hard work certainly does pay off in the workplace, if you work hard, you will be promoted so the low pay jobs are NOT forever.

People who are parents behaving like this are creating the next generation and really need to think about what they are doing and what message they are giving their kids. Is that really ALL you want for your kids? If so, you shouldn't have had children as you have not got the resources to be a good role model.

Well you all suit yourselves, because it certainly wouldn't do for me. I would want more and I go out of my way to build it, not expect it to land in my lap!

Which ever way you dress the OP post up, it is less than ideal - and is certainly not a way I would want to live, nor teach my children to live that way, free rent, free school dinners etc. You can kid yourself all you like but you DO get looked down upon, Especially if you are fit and able to work, and just don't.

Hard times hit us all - Yes even those lucky few of us who have been in work all our lives - some of us GASP HORROR havent been able to afford a holiday or new car recently either.

Most people use low paid entry level positions as a stepping stone to better - not a permanant fixture.

bankhater_1965

Taadaa wrote: »

Yep, and there are 18 year olds who land jobs with hefty commissions because they have got the gift of the gab and can sell tea to China. Someone having a degree may be an indication of their intelligence, not their skill. Having knowledge and being able to apply it are two different things.

And no, it isn't reasonable to expect to have so much money you can afford a holiday, a new car and new clothes from what you have referred to as your first job, unless you can sell tea to China. There are people that have been working for years that can't afford that, and you have a sense of entitlement earned from not doing a single day's work in two years. Yon wanted everyone to say 'poor you, don't take a job that will only leave you £30 a week better off' and instead you got the truth and are arguing because it's not what you want to hear.

I've changed my mind. Don't take the job. Let someone who really wants and needs it have the opportunity. You can sit there waiting for your dream job to come along. Good luck - I will wager now you will still be waiting in another two years' time.

you preach to others but i am 100 % sure yourself would not take a 38 hour job that pays £40 a week (£1.05 per hour) ! just be honest

bankhater_1965

ska_lover wrote: »

This is where you get it so wrong, this kind of thinking is very naive. Please think of the BIGGER picture not just the general lazy apathetic attitude of 'owt for the easiest....'. I suggest that a few people check out 'self respect' in the dictionary. How can you have respect for yourself when a bunch of strangers are paying your rent? This bunch of strangers, might well be IN that low income job which you turned down because you thought you were too good for it.

Everyone has to start somewhere, an entry level position, you cannot expect go go in and earn a great wage straight off - it is all about getting in with a company and proving yourself, getting a promition and working your way up.

I was a single parent, and took low paid entry level work, rather than be on benefits and therefore teach my children that sponging is the way to live. Through tenancity and hard graft I worked my way up from the entry level position and am now a branch manager on a very repectable income thank you very much. Hard work certainly does pay off in the workplace, if you work hard, you will be promoted so the low pay jobs are NOT forever.

People who are parents behaving like this are creating the next generation and really need to think about what they are doing and what message they are giving their kids. Is that really ALL you want for your kids? If so, you shouldn't have had children as you have not got the resources to be a good role model.

Well you all suit yourselves, because it certainly wouldn't do for me. I would want more and I go out of my way to build it, not expect it to land in my lap!

Which ever way you dress the OP post up, it is less than ideal - and is certainly not a way I would want to live, nor teach my children to live that way, free rent, free school dinners etc. You can kid yourself all you like but you DO get looked down upon, Especially if you are fit and able to work, and just don't.

Hard times hit us all - Yes even those lucky few of us who have been in work all our lives - some of us GASP HORROR havent been able to afford a holiday or new car recently either.

Anyway I am out, theres very little of interest for me here...its like trying to give an algebra lesson to a bunch of two year olds - the level of intelligence involved in this converstation is way above some heads.

it really doesnt matter does it , if by getting more on benefits will give you a better life by having more food on the table and paying bills and having less money worries then choose benifits , your theory is outdated , , reality is you do whats best for yourself, it may not be right but so what, lets face it benifits are a less worry to a job , at least benefits are virtualy gauranteed every month, look i have worked since i left school , i have contributed enough to get my state pension already , i have survived , alot of jobs just are not worth taking im afraid and thats the blunt way it is, im not in support of the lazy people on beneFits , but this guy is trying to get a job and this job just is not financaily worth it , whats the problem with that ?? by all meens slate the guy if he never applied for work but clearly is and trying