Parking fine in RingGo car park

marks87

HO87 wrote: »

I'm trying to understand on what basis the Uni are attempting to assert you owe them money? The fact that their means of collection was not functioning correctly is not your fault. Is it possible to pay using cash in a ticket machine, for example?

No. Payment is 100% electronic.

To be clear, the payment system was working -- otherwise I either wouldn't have got a ticket, or everyone else would have as well; it's just it wasn't working for me (the app crashed every time I opened it).

Incidentally, as well as what's on the back of the ticket, I also looked at the full regulations which defines "charge" as "any sum payable by any person leaving a motor vehicle on Campus during Charging hours."

It seems open to interpretation what "leave" means -- does it mean "deposit" (my interpretation) or "walk away from"?

Stephen_Leak

marks87 wrote: »

<snip> Incidentally, as well as what's on the back of the ticket, I also looked at the full regulations which defines "charge" as "any sum payable by any person leaving a motor vehicle on Campus during Charging hours."

It seems open to interpretation what "leave" means -- does it mean "deposit" (my interpretation) or "walk away from"?

marks87 wrote: »

Something else that's just struck me -- the specific regulation I've been noted as breaching is:

"Parking a vehicle displaying a Pay As You Go permit during charging hours and failing to pay the appropriate charge"

I have paid the appropriate charge. If it said "...failing to pay the appropriate charge within xx minutes", I suppose I'd need to grovel. But as far as I can tell, I can (in theory) park at 9am and not pay for my parking until 5pm, provided I do so before leaving.

Good points. You should be studying law.

mikey72

If it's the uni carpark, you signed the contract with them when you enrolled, this usually includes parking. You also probably signed a contract again when you took out the permit. You also agreed in the t&c's you enrolled with to pay them what they have invoiced you, and agreed they can prevent you from graduating if you don't. They normally police the parking themselves, and as you "owe" then the invoiced amount, you're not dealing with a third party PPC.

"Parking a vehicle displaying a Pay As You Go permit during charging hours and failing to pay the appropriate charge"

You had failed. You paid it retrospectively after you had parked and left the car, and only after they had ticketed you for parking and not paying.

I've never deposited a car, but I've walked away from it every time after I've parked.

You could argue, but I'd keep it reasonable, at the end of the day these people are writing your references for your job applications.

taffy056

There is no way this can be interpreted as owing the uni money, so stopping graduation. There have been a few posts here along the same lines and the uni have backed down as legally they cannot do this. Do a search on here for relevant threads.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

There is no way this can be interpreted as owing the uni money, so stopping graduation. There have been a few posts here along the same lines and the uni have backed down as legally they cannot do this. Do a search on here for relevant threads.

op will be fine just to ignore then.

marks87

mikey72 wrote: »

If it's the uni carpark, you signed the contract with them when you enrolled, this usually includes parking. You also probably signed a contract again when you took out the permit. You also agreed in the t&c's you enrolled with to pay them what they have invoiced you, and agreed they can prevent you from graduating if you don't. They normally police the parking themselves, and as you "owe" then the invoiced amount, you're not dealing with a third party PPC.

"Parking a vehicle displaying a Pay As You Go permit during charging hours and failing to pay the appropriate charge"

You had failed. You paid it retrospectively after you had parked and left the car, and only after they had ticketed you for parking and not paying.

I disagree that I failed and paid it retrospectively. I paid while the car was still parked, and what I paid covered the duration of my parking.

The regulations do not impose a time limit on when you must pay.

I've never deposited a car, but I've walked away from it every time after I've parked.

But you've also left in the car in the sense that you've not taken it with you, no?

Two extra words would make it unambiguous - "that is": "...leaving a car that is parked..." makes it very clear that "leaving" refers to the act of "going away" as opposed to "depositing" or "not taking with you".

You could argue, but I'd keep it reasonable, at the end of the day these people are writing your references for your job applications.

Not these people specifically.

HO87

If your Uni has a Law department you might want to ask them about the issue - throwing in such things as "contractual penalty" and Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co. Ltd v New Garage Motor Co Ltd [1915] AC 79.

mikey72

marks87 wrote: »

I disagree that I failed and paid it retrospectively. I paid while the car was still parked, and what I paid covered the duration of my parking.

The regulations do not impose a time limit on when you must pay.

But you've also left in the car in the sense that you've not taken it with you, no?

Two extra words would make it unambiguous - "that is": "...leaving a car that is parked..." makes it very clear that "leaving" refers to the act of "going away" as opposed to "depositing" or "not taking with you".

Not these people specifically.

Ignore them then.

mikey72

taffy056 wrote: »

There is no way this can be interpreted as owing the uni money, so stopping graduation. There have been a few posts here along the same lines and the uni have backed down as legally they cannot do this. Do a search on here for relevant threads.

Could only find this one

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?355784-Parking-in-University-car-park-diploma-will-be-withheld-if-he-does-ot-pay!!!


I guess you disagree with the comments on there?

marks87

In my situation, it's not about whether or not owing the Uni money can prevent graduation, it's about whether or not I owe the uni money in the first place.