Early Day Motion-ATOS

little_monkey

Write to your MP and urge them to support the motion put forward by John McDonnell MP

http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/295


Find you Member of Parliament here

http://www.writetothem.com/


Source http://socialwelfareunion.org/archives/544

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a total and utter waste of time and effort,know what my mp told me when i asked that he sign an EDM?"i`m a pps to a shadow minister"guess what he was lying

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oh aye......

grummps

Like all criticisms of the Welafre Reform, this will get 'buried' along with all of the other questions of the house.

The Welfare Reform will go ahead, no ifs, no buts!

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Atos miracles

https://www.facebook.com/pages/ATOS-Miracles/259364897425986

rogerblack

Based on my experiences of the system, I do not support this motion, and would urge my MP not to sign it.

ATOS is not the problem.
Pretending it is is politically expedient, and utterly, utterly misguided.

In addition to personal experiences (2 WCAs so far by ATOS), I've read extensively on this - the actual legislation and DWP guidelines in detail.

ATOS are following the guidelines set down.
Are there problems with ATOS, sure.
Are there inaccurate results, yes.

However, most of the issues with 'ATOS' are not issues with ATOS.

They are issues with the points-based test.
They are issues with decisionmaking by the DWP.

Most of the issues that are raised in the EDM are quite irrelevant to ATOSs actual performance of the contract they have been given.

To pretend that it's ATOSs fault, when the majority of the issues mentioned in the list are due to:
The DWP underfunding decsionmakers so they're overloaded and can't make proper decisions - they have half an hour.
Similar underfunding of the tribunals service to cope with the changes in caseload.
The law. The law, as enacted by parliament is the largest part of the problems with ESA, especially how it is implemented by the DWP.

If ATOS was sacked, and another company brought in to do the same thing (or even if it was a civil service based assessment), almost exactly the same issues would remain.

Blaming ATOS is easy.
Note that pretty much all the signatories are Labour.
Who brought ESA into being, including the 'work capability assessment' in its present form.

pmlindyloo

I absolutely agree with rogerblack.

This motion is so worded that the discussion will centre round the pros and cons of having these assessments and will not focus on the heart of the problem that the system in operation is seriously flawed.

The motion should, in my opinion, focus on the number of people appealing and the percentage of the appeals being allowed. That in itself shows how flawed it is.

If the guidelines for Atos were reviewed there would be less appeals. If the motion concerned itself with the financial savings which could be made then there would be a much better chance of the system being changed for the better.

grummps

Yes it is the Welfare Reform Act that is wrong. Yes by all means have reform, but not purely to reduce the cost of the welfare budget.

Richie-from-the-Boro

- the Labour Government - designed years before under Blair - but was it Brown or Blair that brought in the legislation ?

schrodie

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- the Labour Government - designed years before under Blair - but was it Brown or Blair that brought in the legislation ?

But it's the tories who are tweaking it for the worse i.e. time limiting CB ESA, scrapping DLA and bringing in PIP to reduce the DLA caseload by 20%.

As far as Atos concerned the best thing this government can do, not that it will because they're doing the governments dirty work for them, is dump Atos thus saving the taxpayer £100million a year as well as the cost of all the appeals due to the !!!! ups Atos make with the WCA.

mynameistallulah

schrodie wrote: »

But it's the tories who are tweaking it for the worse i.e. time limiting CB ESA, scrapping DLA and bringing in PIP to reduce the DLA caseload by 20%.

As far as Atos concerned the best thing this government can do, not that it will because they're doing the governments dirty work for them, is dump Atos thus saving the taxpayer £100million a year as well as the cost of all the appeals due to the !!!! ups Atos make with the WCA.

Have you seen the alternatives that have applied for the PIP contract? The prospect of G4S getting it is pretty horrific!