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  • Percy1983
    Percy1983 Posts: 5,244 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Is there no sense of pride amongst the benefit classes?
    Most men I know would be deeply ashamed at the idea of other people paying to bring up their children.

    I certainly would be.
    Have my first business premises (+4th business) 01/11/2017
    Quit day job to run 3 businesses 08/02/2017
    Started third business 25/06/2016
    Son born 13/09/2015
    Started a second business 03/08/2013
    Officially the owner of my own business since 13/01/2012
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    And there we have all the predictable griping from the anti child forum curmudgeons.

    Almost no one can afford to pay for their children while they are children, that is why the vast majority of people send their kids to NHS doctors and State schools.

    Unless they are boomers, looking forward to a bumper pension and stella house price rises, over the longer term most people pay will pay in more than they take out.

    Why do they need 4? We earn upwards of 90k, more than 1 will affect our quality of life too much sowill prob. Only have one.
  • PaulF81
    PaulF81 Posts: 1,727 Forumite
    SHAMEFUL POST.

    You should hang your head in shame.

    A child is a miracle, but you with your shrivelled joyless little heart that can barely pump blood to your brain refer to them as a "mewling cabbage"

    SHAMEFUL MAN.

    That these six people thanked you too. Dreadful. I would be ashamed to thank such a wretched piece of writing.
    • Bennifred
    • chewmylegoff
    • grizzly1911
    • JonnyBravo
    • Percy1983
    • Sapphire

    You may none of you approve of these parents method of providing for their children, i.e. benefits, but they are entitled to do so and knew they would be able to when they had them. They are not being irresponsible you just don't personally like them because they claim benefits, so your minds are full of prejudice.

    It is not like someone in the 3rd world having 10 children knowing 7 of them will die due to starvation.

    Awful prejudice, even by the low standards of this forum.

    Spot the catholic. :rotfl:
  • oldvicar
    oldvicar Posts: 1,088 Forumite
    ILW wrote: »
    Is there no sense of pride amongst the benefit classes?
    Most men I know would be deeply ashamed at the idea of other people paying to bring up their children.

    But other people aren't paying. The money is "FREE" - from the government innit.
  • coastline
    coastline Posts: 1,662 Forumite
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    Hopefully we don't go back to a situation before the war...my father in his eighties will tell you a tale or two...
    A family of ten in a couple of rooms for him...and one of them did really sleep in the top drawer...happy days..
    Luckily when he married in 1954 he had a new coucil home due to the massive rebuilding program..
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    coastline wrote: »
    Hopefully we don't go back to a situation before the war...my father in his eighties will tell you a tale or two...
    A family of ten in a couple of rooms for him...and one of them did really sleep in the top drawer...happy days..
    Luckily when he married in 1954 he had a new coucil home due to the massive rebuilding program..

    There is absolutely no reason to have a family on ten these days. It is totally irresponsible and should be heavily discouraged. (Unless the family can support itself, in which case it is nobody elses business).
  • SHAMEFUL POST.

    You should hang your head in shame.

    A child is a miracle, but you with your shrivelled joyless little heart that can barely pump blood to your brain refer to them as a "mewling cabbage"

    SHAMEFUL MAN.

    That these six people thanked you too. Dreadful. I would be ashamed to thank such a wretched piece of writing.
    • Bennifred
    • chewmylegoff
    • grizzly1911
    • JonnyBravo
    • Percy1983
    • Sapphire
    You may none of you approve of these parents method of providing for their children, i.e. benefits, but they are entitled to do so and knew they would be able to when they had them. They are not being irresponsible you just don't personally like them because they claim benefits, so your minds are full of prejudice.

    It is not like someone in the 3rd world having 10 children knowing 7 of them will die due to starvation.

    Awful prejudice, even by the low standards of this forum.

    You can add me to your name and shame list :)
  • RenovationMan
    RenovationMan Posts: 4,227 Forumite
    ILW wrote: »
    There is absolutely no reason to have a family on ten these days. It is totally irresponsible and should be heavily discouraged. (Unless the family can support itself, in which case it is nobody elses business).

    That's the case in a nutshell. To be fair, I'd even argue that in a country with low infant mortality and overpopulation it's irresponsible to have 10 kids full stop, regardless of whether the family supports itself.

    The larger the population, the more it consumes and the less sustainable it is. The larger the population is in the West, the fewer resources available for the rest of the world, the greater the mortality rate. By having 10 kids in the UK you're killing people in the third world.
  • coastline
    coastline Posts: 1,662 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper
    ILW wrote: »
    There is absolutely no reason to have a family on ten these days. It is totally irresponsible and should be heavily discouraged. (Unless the family can support itself, in which case it is nobody elses business).

    It was common a few generations ago....there wasn't the government benefits either...people just coped..
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    coastline wrote: »
    It was common a few generations ago
    Very. People seem to think this Mona Nelson should have had her last child at 26. Victorians would have been scandalised at a married woman giving up when she had another 20 years of productive life left.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
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