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lostinrates

I can't help but wonder if sardines are considered indecent.

chewmylegoff

lostinrates wrote: »

I can't help but wonder if sardines are considered indecent.

have you ever seen a sardine with its trousers on?

alleycat`

chewmylegoff wrote: »

have you ever seen a sardine with its trousers on?

No but i have seen a story where 24 tons of them closed a road...

DKLS

I always think of this clip when I see threads like this.

Perhaps the parents should explore one of the fifteen choices of contraception available in the UK, and find which one works for them before burdening the planet with yet another mewling cabbage they cannot house.

purch

Mona Nelson, 35, would like to move out of her small flat – preferably to a four-bedroom home nearby

This is the kind of story that often put's many of our regulars in a spot of bother.

On one hand they like to criticise people for living on cheap easy credit, and wanting what they can't afford, in fact blaming them for causing all of our economic woes.

Then on the other hand they like to point to story's such as this one, where poor hardworking (decent) people want to get things they can't afford as proof of our economic woes.

A bit of a conundrum :eek:

Idiophreak

I find it quite interesting...when I think of having children, I think of two things:

1) What kind of life could I give them? Do I have the money to give them the type of home they need, will we have stability for them, am I smart enough and know enough about the world to teach them everything they need to know?

2) Am I really awesome enough that the world needs more of me?

Quite seriously, those are my top two considerations...but they seem to be things that a lot of parents don't even give a second thought to...I just don't understand it.

MacMickster

purch wrote: »

This is the kind of story that often put's many of our regulars in a spot of bother.

On one hand they like to criticise people for living on cheap easy credit, and wanting what they can't afford, in fact blaming them for causing all of our economic woes.

Then on the other hand they like to point to story's such as this one, where poor hardworking (decent) people want to get things they can't afford as proof of our economic woes.

A bit of a conundrum :eek:

Actually I think that this represents 2 sides of the same coin. Effectively it is a story about people feeling that they are "entitled" to a lifestyle that they can't afford.

Some choose to get into debt to pretend that they can afford it (until the house of cards comes tumbling down). Others whinge that it is society's responsibility to provide it for them. The idea of adapting their lifestyle and aspirations to their means only vaguely crosses their minds.

Fella

Idiophreak wrote: »

1) What kind of life could I give them? Do I have the money to give them the type of home they need, will we have stability for them, am I smart enough and know enough about the world to teach them everything they need to know?

Unfortunately plenty of people are like those in the article i.e. utterly selfish. They know full well it's unlikely they'll ever be able to pay their way or anything like it. Nonetheless they've gone ahead with exactly the lifestyle they want (lots of kids) secure in the knowledge that other people will be forced to pay for it.

This 100% selfish & despicable attitude will be rewarded with a large house & the same or better lifestyle than almost everyone who chooses to actually pay their own way.

Nevertheless there will still be plenty of people who rush to defend them. Chances are most of them won't be the ones footing the bill though, the people who shout loudest about how everything should be "free" are rarely the ones actually paying for it.

oldvicar

Fella wrote: »

the people who shout loudest about how everything should be "free" are rarely the ones actually paying for it.

I fear its worse than that now. Even within my own family I notice there are ("squeezed middle") parents with above average lifestyles who believe in "free" everything for all children, including childcare so that other people can look after them. But they are obviously the ones who would have to pay, covering the costs for their own children and those who are much poorer than them. But they are simply incredulous at the thought that it would cost them anything.

I don't mind their political views that the state should provide a lot more for everyone, but I'm gobsmacked that they really believe that government spending is "free" and people like them would be better off overall !

Sapphire

ruggedtoast wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/12/families-overcrowding-spreads

More decent, hard working families forced to live in conditions the previous generation would have balked at.

You must be joking, surely. I grew up in a tiny room with my two sisters (they had bunk beds, I had a fold-up bed). We had no central heating, just paraffin heaters that our mother got up very early in the morning to turn on (a pretty side-effect: we could see beautiful frost patterns on the windowpanes, and long icicles hanging from the window frames). Initially, we didn't even have hot water and my mother had to boil water in a huge pan. We all got on very well together, though with quite a lot of arguments, and had a happy, close childhood.

It didn't make any of us bad human beings – on the contrary it hardened us and made us appreciate our good fortune when we grew older and dug ourselves out of the pit. We've all remained very close.

Additionally, our parents and grand-parents were political exiles who came to this country after having lost everything. They suffered incredible trauma during the war, then had to learn a new language and gain an education (in the case of my father) from scratch.