JSA And Funeral Attendance

seven-day-weekend

I was allowed paid time off from work to go to MY mothers' funeral.

I would not have been allowed paid time off to go to a FRIEND's mother's funeral.

If I had have wished to go I would eithr have had to book a day or half-day holiday or take the day off unpaid, assuming I had permission from my employer to do that. MY employer would have been quite within their rights to not allow me to take any holiday on that day.

Therefore I don't see why it should be any different for someone signing on. I think they should have to take holiday like those in work would have to, or take it unpaid.

GlasweJen

My great uncle is being buried tomorrow and I have to take a days holiday for it. If I'd used up all my holiday it would have been unpaid.

I don't see how this is different to the OP who has used up all her paid JSA holidays.

missapril75

Anubis wrote: »

But surely a days deduction is what would happen if he was working?

I still don't understand why what happens to someone working should be what happens to them when they're not working.

Do people not working get paid minimum wage? Do they have a boss? A dress code? Promotion prospects? Why should they have the same restictions as workers when they don't get the same rewards?

Remuneration for workers (and their obligations) have absolutely nothing in common with non-workers.

Is there anything in life as different to being employed as being unemployed?

Obviously we don't want unemployed people to get out of the habit of what's needed for work and a certain discipline is needed, but within reason.

The funeral is 200 miles away. He is clearly not going to be available for work.

But the rules allow people to be away on the day of attendance. The rules allow their availability to be accepted if they are able to return to their home area up to 48 hours later than the day of absence. These are not 'holiday' rules with restrictions, they are rules covering a variety of situations including that of the OP.

missapril75

Out of interest, I googled a few words relating to attendance at funerals and employment conditions and found the following:

Bereavement: Close friends

Amount of leave: up to one day. One day of special leave may be granted to attend the funeral of a close friend who has died.

Additional days, up to a maximum of five days, may be granted in exceptional circumstances in the event of the death of an ‘other relative’ or ‘close friend’. Factors to be taken into account include travelling to and from a funeral.

The employer is the Information Commissioner's Office - a UK Independent Authority.

They'll allow a day for a funeral of a close friend and up to 5 days extra for other reasons such as travel time.

This is in the special leave with pay section.

Other situations come under without pay.

So that must be okay then, what with it being allowed in employment.:)

sniggings

Anubis wrote: »

But surely a days deduction is what would happen if he was working?

No, no shame on me. The funeral is 200 miles away. He is clearly not going to be available for work. What happens if, like it does with my son, he gets called at 1pm and asked to go for an interview locally within the next hour?

How is he feasibly going to manage to go to a local interview 200 miles away?

A days deduction is fair given the distance he will be away from his local area, even a 50 mile radius within his area leaves him 150 miles away.

I cannot see an employer agreeing to a days pay for the funeral of a friend on a 400 mile round trip. What is different here? What is this "shame" you put on me?

you may have missed but he is not working, there is a difference, he could and will still look for a job and he is still available to work even at the funeral, being available for work does not mean he can't do other stuff it just means if a job were to be offered to him he would take the job and not say what he was doing was more important, by your thinking he couldn't even go for a crap as then he would not be able to work at that time, you really are a nasty person arguing against someone going to a funeral.

Even the jobcentre has not said he can't go to the funeral as he wont be available for work, it's just that they will not change his signing on day! why you need to argue he will be unavailable for work when standing at a graveside is sick.

Dunroamin

missapril75 wrote: »

Out of interest, I googled a few words relating to attendance at funerals and employment conditions and found the following:

The employer is the Information Commissioner's Office - a UK Independent Authority.

They'll allow a day for a funeral of a close friend and up to 5 days extra for other reasons such as travel time.

This is in the special leave with pay section.

Other situations come under without pay.

So that must be okay then, what with it being allowed in employment.:)

You ignore the fact that your link very definitely says "may" be allowed and in "exceptional" circumstances. It also refers to a close friend or a relative, not the relative of a friend!

princessdon

There is ZERO way I would be given paid time off work to attend a funeral miles away for an old friend. I was refused time off for a school friend last month (and yes we were close) that was 5 mins away without taking FLEXI.

Spamfree_2

How is the op funding the 400 mile round trip to the funeral?

sniggings

Spamfree wrote: »

How is the op funding the 400 mile round trip to the funeral?

why what has that to do with you.

People on here seem to want to argue on why the OP should loose money as he is not available for work etc

The fact is it is the 5 min sign on appointment that they wont change is what is stopping him from going not being unavailable for work, he could go without a problem and still be within the rules if the funeral was on a different day.

Spamfree_2

sniggings wrote: »

why what has that to do with you.

People on here seem to want to argue on why the OP should loose money as he is not available for work etc

The fact is it is the 5 min sign on appointment that they wont change is what is stopping him from going not being unavailable for work, he could go without a problem and still be within the rules if the funeral was on a different day.

I was just wondering if it would be an expensive journey.