Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit upgrade

jannowretired

Oh dear TT you may be on the end of a tongue lashing

No he won't, TakeThis is all right, he is very helpful, he doesn't ask me if I am sure my computer can run a 64 bit OS or not, he just posts a link to where I can download it.

Which is what I wanted in the beginning, not some condescending link on how to search on google and people questioning as to if I knew what I was doing.

My next move, as TakeThis suggested is to download virtual-PC and XP mode.

debitcardmayhem

jannowretired wrote: »

No he won't, TakeThis is all right, he is very helpful, he doesn't ask me if I am sure my computer can run a 64 bit OS or not, he just posts a link to where I can download it.

Which is what I wanted in the beginning, not some condescending link on how to search on google and people questioning as to if I knew what I was doing.

My next move, as TakeThis suggested is to download virtual-PC and XP mode.

yes but did I do as you suggest in para 2 above ? Oh btw before your rant about people not reading what you write, I would have also suggested xp mode but first would have suggested another article I found about using a mini driver, but hey ho you may find that using google when you remove your blinkers..as you said
"Is this not a money saving site?" yes, it is but people do normally try to help, and perhaps you should re-read the forum etiquette bits.

prowla

jayme1 wrote: »

also the second point, a 32bit system can make use of 3.5GB of RAM

That is not quite correct; it depends upon the architecture of the particular model of computer - I have a Lenovo 32-bit Windows 7 system that only gives me 2.5 GB of the 4 GB installed.

(FYI, I also have a 64-bit Windows 7 system that gives me 7.87 of the 8 GB installed.)

Notmyrealname

prowla wrote: »

That is not quite correct; it depends upon the architecture of the particular model of computer - I have a Lenovo 32-bit Windows 7 system that only gives me 2.5 GB of the 4 GB installed.

(FYI, I also have a 64-bit Windows 7 system that gives me 7.87 of the 8 GB installed.)

Sorry you are wrong. A 32 bit OS can address 4GB. However that 4GB is not only system RAM but also hardware addressed memory. Someone who had a 512MB graphics card in for example would get 480MB less memory shown as available than someone with a 32MB one, all other hardware being the same.

Notmyrealname

jayme1 wrote: »

both your points are wrong, you enter the product key after the DVD has already been installed (during first setup)

Wrong. You do that on a system that has had the OS pre-installed with the SYSPREP /OOBE command run.

If you install Windows using an installation disc, during the early stage of the installation you will be asked for the product key. It will install the version you enter. You can choose not to enter a key and then you will be presented with a list (Starter to Ultimate) and asked which one you wish to install.

and a standard windows 7 install disc will only let you install the version that's written on it,

Again, rubbish. See above.

you need to hack a windows 7 iso (or DVD) before you start installation to be able to install all versions of windows 7 off one CD

Wrong.

also the second point, a 32bit system can make use of 3.5GB of RAM

4GB actually. The amount available for the OS to use is dependent on the hardware installed and how much memory it uses.

I'm a Microsoft Registered Refurbisher and also a former MCSE. You?

jayme1

Notmyrealname wrote: »

Wrong. You do that on a system that has had the OS pre-installed with the SYSPREP /OOBE command run.

If you install Windows using an installation disc, during the early stage of the installation you will be asked for the product key. It will install the version you enter. You can choose not to enter a key and then you will be presented with a list (Starter to Ultimate) and asked which one you wish to install.

You must be using a different windows 7 install DVD if I use either a retail, upgrade or OEM DVD it never asks for a product key before the install, and even after install in first time setup it is optional allowing you to activate windows when you are inside windows later. (this is via a custom clean install often on a completely blank HDD)
On windows 8 RP it asks for a product key before it will even install but (at least on a consumer level) on windows 7 it does not.

Notmyrealname wrote: »

Again, rubbish. See above.

again you must be using a special version, all windows 7 install DVDs do contain all versions of windows 7 but you have to modify the files in the link to be given a choice on which to install.

Notmyrealname wrote: »

4GB actually. The amount available for the OS to use is dependent on the hardware installed and how much memory it uses.

ok lets put it another way, 32bit windows out of the box can only address a maximum 3.5GB of RAM in a perfect situation,
needles to say you were wrong when you said 32bit windows could only address 2.5GB, I had a 32bit laptop with 4GB of RAM that would identify and use 3.5GB.

Notmyrealname wrote: »

I'm a Microsoft Registered Refurbisher and also a former MCSE. You?

you must be using a different version of the windows 7 install DVD or an already modified version, the ISOs mentioned in this thread and retail DVDs do not give you an option to install all versions without modifying them.

gavpowell

Notmyrealname wrote: »

You can choose not to enter a key and then you will be presented with a list (Starter to Ultimate)

Any idea why that's not available on the OEM discs? I'm sure it worked on Vista's OEM discs, though I may be wrong. Also, the removal of repair install from 7 is something I would really like to give MS a slap for.

What are the benefits of being an MS refurbisher? Do you just need it for your particular job or does it have merits for someone like me, a one-man band PC repair outfit?

prowla

Notmyrealname wrote: »

Sorry you are wrong. A 32 bit OS can address 4GB. However that 4GB is not only system RAM but also hardware addressed memory. Someone who had a 512MB graphics card in for example would get 480MB less memory shown as available than someone with a 32MB one, all other hardware being the same.

How am I wrong?

One poster said "a 32bit system can make use of 3.5GB of RAM", and I said it depends upon the machine, and gave an example of one that only gives 2.5 GB.

The comment was specifically about the amount of usable RAM you get, not the fundamental addressing capabilities of the underlying CPU. Yes I know that the choices the particular manufacturer makes in particular in relation to memory-mapped I/O is what decides how much RAM is "lost", and that is why I specifically said that it depends upon the architecture of the particular model of computer.

It looks to me like you've jumped in and corrected something that you didn't read properly.

Notmyrealname

gavpowell wrote: »

Any idea why that's not available on the OEM discs?

They're a custom image.

What are the benefits of being an MS refurbisher? Do you just need it for your particular job or does it have merits for someone like me, a one-man band PC repair outfit?

You can upgrade any PC with a CoA from Windows98 on to Windows 7 Home Premium for about £25 a machine. You need to apply to Microsoft for it. However once you are registered, don't sell a computer with its original licenced version on unless you have a recovery partition or restore discs for it.

Notmyrealname

prowla wrote: »

It looks to me like you've jumped in and corrected something that you didn't read properly.

OK, I stand corrected.