Preparedness for when

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I can only add that working on our plots is the nicest thing I know! you get fresh air, wildlifes, twittle birds, nice things to eat, exercise and the occasional toad and slow worm. Utter contentment is watering the poly tunnel in the warmth of the evening and watching the sun set over the river, if we're really lucky in these lighter late evenings we get to watch the bats hunting for insect round the garden and doing circuits of the birch trees next door, it's a hard life but being noble, we cope, just!!!

Blue_Doggy

nuatha wrote: »

Jim Callaghan's Government were ousted by a single vote (310-311 IIRC).

And then the country elected Maggie Thatcher ....

What a difference a single vote can make.

Blue_Doggy

I'm just so glad that the rest of the world, that we're going to to want to trade with / partner with in the future, can't see or hear the shenanigans going on domestically. We must have lost both our faces in the eyes of the world.

And as for rerunning the referendum, well! Seeing as how we've made it part of our mission to prat around the world telling other people to be good little democracies and bow to the will of the people.

It must be Midsummer Madness.

VJsmum

Osborne always reminds me of the first blackadder

https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/blackadder/characters/

And, how does article 50 work? Am I right in thinking a majority of other EU nations must agree? What if they don't?

pineapple

mrs-moneypenny wrote: »

Ivyleaf I was on the understanding that we had to invoke article 50 to start the leaving process, as part of our agreement with the eu. I thought that was the only way we could officially serve notice to start leaving.

We do have to invoke Article 50 - which is akin to officially handing in your job notice and which can't be revoked (as I understand it). This triggers the start of official negotiations for which we have 2 years though this could possibly be extended. The whole thing then has to be ratified by the EU.
An element in the UK wants to have 'pre negotiations' before invoking Article 50 though I understand this has been rejected by the the EU.
I do wonder whether one reason for informal negotiations first is that we can see the lie of the land before triggering the departure process.

Karmacat

GreyQueen wrote: »

The rubble is still bouncing and it's definitely Interesting Times.

I like that image :rotfl: very appropriate.

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pineapple

VJsmum wrote: »

Osborne always reminds me of the first blackadder

https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/blackadder/characters/

And, how does article 50 work? Am I right in thinking a majority of other EU nations must agree? What if they don't?

They can't stop a country invoking Article 50 - ie intention to leave - but the final post negotiation agreement has to be signed off by the EU.

maryb

had a 'duh!' moment this morning on a purely domestic matter

I was preparing some rhubarb for bottling (that's canning to you, Mila) and i can never work out how many jars and lids to prepare. Too many and they get water deposits on the jars and I worry about the lids sealing properly next time if I've already softened them once in hot water. Too few and you are running around trying to sterilise another jar while the lot you've already prepared are already in the pressure cooker. And how much syrup do you need etc etc

So as I prepared my rhubarb I put the bits in a big measuring jug and found they came up to the litre mark almost exactly - so two jars. Then I poured cold water into the jug till the rhubarb was covered then decanted it into another jug and measured it then worked out how much sugar to add.

Worked a treat with no wasted syrup. But how dim-witted am I not to have worked this out before??!!

moneyistooshorttomention

Blue_Doggy wrote: »

I'm just so glad that the rest of the world, that we're going to to want to trade with / partner with in the future, can't see or hear the shenanigans going on domestically. We must have lost both our faces in the eyes of the world.

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But that's just the thing - they can very easily see what is going on here. They can click on the websites of our national newspapers/the BBC website/etc and will be all too well aware.

The "rest of the world" does tend to have an advantage over us too - they often speak our language (ie English) but most of us don't speak theirs (be it French, German, etc, etc). I often would like the chance to read foreign newspapers and see what they have to say about world events - but, like most British people, I have to admit to only speaking our own language. So - I can/do read American websites - but, as for European/Scandinavian/etc - that would be a "no" then:o

As for putting the whole "divorce" in process - I just hope the respective political Parties hurry up and get their act together. I don't see us proceeding with this until they do. Personally - I'd regard it as "urgent" to resolve all those differences and then proceed with Brexit in an orderly fashion.

I must say, too, that I regard Cameron as a coward flunking out of things because they didnt go his way. He should have had Plan B (if the vote was for Brexit) sitting there already in his office - worked out in some detail and generally thought it through and now be acknowledging his duties as Prime Minister to get on and deal with it. Gawdknows - a lot of us have probably held much "lower level" posts and just had to get on and implement the policy of "our" organisation - even when we personally thought very differently (I know I did and I'm still wincing at the thought of having had to - ie back in my trade union days).

nuatha

Article 50 is irrevocable, it is the the statement that I'm leaving the club. This triggers a negotiation period to determine the future treaties which will govern relations between the EU and the leaving state. If negotiations haven't reached a satisfactory conclusion then there the leaving state ceases to be part of the EU on the second anniversary of Article 50 being invoked, unless there is a unanimous decision by the European Council to extend negotiations.
The final treaty will have to be approved by the European Parliament and then by all 27 member states own national parliaments. If such approval is not forthcoming then there will be no treaty.

Once Article 50 is invoked, the only way back is to apply to join the EU as a new member with all that entails (including adopting the Euro).