Preparedness for when

armyknife

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

Why?

We've had pathetic sentencing for violent crimes for years.

If this case causes tptb to do bring in proper sentences, that will be a fitting tribute to her.

Back-peddling.

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

For years, members of the general public have been shot and stabbed, and the various Governments have done precious little about it.

I wonder if, now it's happened to one of their own, they'll actually get around doing something worthwhile about it?

Living_proof

monnagran wrote: »

The introduction of "human rights" without the corresponding "human responsibilities". Young people are not taught that bad behaviour incurs consequences.

I can't be alone in remembering that the local paper used to carry reports, with names and addresses, of court hearings of those caught being drunk and disorderly and of the fines or imprisonment incurred. Oh, the shame of it.
Imagine that being the case today. It would need a whole publication to itself and an appearance in it would be a source of admiration from one's peers.

By the way, what ever happened to shame and embarrassment?

Not everything about the past is good but boy! has the pendulum swung too far in the wrong direction.

Righteous rant over.

Life IS precious and surely this message must get through sooner or later.

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My local paper still does this but I am not sure it means much to the criminals involved. A lot of the space these days is taken up with reporting parents found guilty of keeping their children out of school! The rest is all drink/drive, theft, beating, etc.

ivyleaf

Some years ago a lady of my own age on her way to work was stabbed to death a few minutes' walk from my home.

The woman who killed her was mentally ill, and had been to a local hospital and begged for help because she knew she was in danger of hurting somebody, but they were so busy that they were unable to ensure she stayed put; she left the hospital, got on a bus and bought a knife in a local supermarket

ETA Some reports said she snatched the knife from a butcher's shop but I'm not sure which is correct.

GreyQueen

The vast majority of the mentally ill are a danger only to themselves. A tiny proportion of this unfortunate group are a danger to others but, when they do something appalling, the consequences can be life-changing

The media reports that I've seen thus far seem to indicate that this attacker was mentally-unstable and had had unpleasant associations with unpleasant groups for some years, even decades. It revolts me that some in public life are trying to make political capital out of her death within hours of her murder.

I confess I find the whole twitter/ faceache phenomenon pretty incomprehensible, but I did think the widower's message was one of dignity when under the most incredible pressure. Those poor little ones without their Mum........ it's enough to make you cry, isn't it?

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armyknife wrote: »

Back-peddling.

I'm not back-peddling at all.

Sometimes it takes an event "close to home", to motivate people to act.

Hopefully, this tragedy will motivate politicians to do something, in regard to the pathetic sentences, often handed out to murderers, violent attackers, rapists etc.

ivyleaf

It did make me cry to think of her children She was the same age as DD1 so that seemed to bring it home in a way, having nearly lost her a couple of times.

Cappella

She was the same age as my daughter too Ivyleaf: and the thought of her children grieving was heart breaking.

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I don't see any of us saying that the past WAS safer, it had violence and murders and gang rivalries and fights the same as we have today, just less of them and less often. It was different because the violence and murder was less widespread and not THE NORM which it seems to be these days. I'm 68 and I can remember running safely all day in the woods and along footpaths and through orchards with my friends as a child, we lived in much smaller village, about 500 people and I knew all of them the downside of that was they ALL knew me so any misdeeds were immediately made known to my parents and dealt with by a smacked backside and withdrawal of any pocket money, playtime and treats for as long as it took to satisfy whoever we'd annoyed. It was a different world with different standards, we were taught to respect our elders, to behave ourselves when we were in public or at school and to be respectable as our parents would soon find out if we weren't! I think the difference is that we KNEW our place, knew what NOT to do as much as what was allowed and were more secure because of that. I often think children today have a much harder time even though materially they are a thousand times better off than we were. We knew the wrongs in life as well as the rights, we were taught them and taught values and taught to consider our actions well before taking them. Nowadays children are taught their rights and known them off by heart but I don't see much sign that they generally know what is a wrong!

Perplexed_Pineapple

Evening all. It's a horrible thing to happen but I really doubt, Bob, that tougher sentencing would have done anything to deter it. The man who did this was a fanatic or mentally ill or both, not a random criminal. We should look at the support our society gives to the mentally ill and whether increasing inequality creates the conditions for mental illness to spread, what about our society allows fanaticism to flourish. Just my two penn'orth.
Back on to prepping, I am running down my supplies and decluttering with the possibility of relocation on the cards. I hope we don't have the zombie apocalypse as a result of Brexit - I'm sure I heard one of the politicians saying that would be the result :rotfl:

milasavesmoney

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

I'm not back-peddling at all.

Sometimes it takes an event "close to home", to motivate people to act.

Hopefully, this tragedy will motivate politicians to do something, in regard to the pathetic sentences, often handed out to murderers, violent attackers, rapists etc.

We did not get 911 (emergency call number) in our county until a county commissioner's daughter nearly drowned. He had been stonewalling the implementation of this extremely necessary call service because it was 'too expensive.' After the near fatal accident he changed his vote and this emergency phone access was put in a month later. My exOH, an emergency room physician had gone before the commission as has many other doctors to say how necessary it was for saving lives. He came home so furious at this particular man. It took something almost deadly that was 'close to home' to change minds.
Although I do feel it was a bit too soon to bring up this issue, it is not without merit...but probably a discussion for when everyone is not so raw from the horror of this sad sad ending to a young life.:)
Only my opinion.