Preparedness for when

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This being grown up lark is full of fraught little moments isn't it?

nuatha

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

This being grown up lark is full of fraught little moments isn't it?

I'll let you know if I'm ever unfortunate enough to get there
I'm having enough problems trying to decide what to cook for supper or have for my lunch for that matter.
Whichever way the referendum goes we're still going to be in the unfortunate position of having politicians make a mess of it, adulthood is highly over-rated.

pollyanna_26

Runs in after braving town to do the shopping off out in 10 minutes for other tasks .
Lyn and Nuatha - To quote Mr Dylan "May you stay forever young " (and the rest of us too )
See you later . Welcome back Lyn .
polly

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One thing I DO know is that whatever happens with the referendum, whichever decision is made to stay in or to leave and whatever we find our lives being afterwards there will be the shared commitment of ourselves and our fellow contributors on this particular thread to making our lives as good as they can possibly be, whatever the circumstances we find ourselves in afterwards. We may be quirky and definitely alternative but we have such a depth and breadth of practical and applicable experience and knowledge, much of it from times gone by, and we WILL share that knowledge amongst ourselves and with anyone else who needs help and support in adverse times freely and without restriction whenever it IS needed. We may be eccentric in the worlds eyes but what we know IS relevant and may be a saving grace in the future.

pollyanna_26

Back again ( for a minute )
Lyn I think your post sums up what will sustain us all whatever happens .
Welcome back Cheapskate , I've missed seeing that signature at the bottom of your posts .
polly

monnagran

I have no right to be here as I just lurk in the background usually but I've been fascinated reading all your thoughts on the referendum.

I get a certain wry amusement hearing the two sides jumping on any bandwagon that offers itself. I really don't know how the economics will work out if we go or stay. I don't know how migration will work out if we go or stay. I don't know how trade will work out if we go or stay. But I absolutely do know that those people who are telling us that they know how things are going to work out if we go or stay CERTAINLY don't know.

I think that a lot of uncertainty about what may or may not happen is engendered by people who have no experience of life in Britain before we became members of the 'common market". As I remember it we seemed to be coping pretty well. We won a war, our farmers and fishermen were unsung heroes doing what they knew best, we rebuilt a bomb devastated country, in spite of this we helped to feed and house those who were our erstwhile enemies, our NHS and education system was the envy of the world, our political system (bless its little cotton socks) was copied in many other countries and we had the reputation, deserved or not, for being a just and fair society.
Of course things were not perfect, things this side of heaven are never perfect, but Armaggedon was a long way off.

On a purely emotional level I am proud to be British and have absolutely no wish to be a dot in the United States of Europe. Yes, I believe that is the long game being played.
All of us who were born before the war have a lot of patriotism as part of our make up. Whatever became of the British Bulldog? I lot of neutering seems to have taken place, but I do believe that our national chacteristics should be cherished, not watered down by faceless bureaucrats many miles away who have their own agendas and their own off-shore bank accounts to nurture.

This is not a cogent argument, this is a purely personal and emotional point of view. But what other basis do I have for whatever decision I am to make?

I'm leaving now before you all start shouting at me.

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Karmacat

monnagran wrote: »

On a purely emotional level I am proud to be British and have absolutely no wish to be a dot in the United States of Europe. Yes, I believe that is the long game being played.

This is not a cogent argument, this is a purely personal and emotional point of view. But what other basis do I have for whatever decision I am to make?

I'm leaving now before you all start shouting at me.

x

And the shouting at you might be "hear hear, well said that woman"

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Don't go MONNA what you say makes perfect sense to me, maybe it's time to become proud to be BRITISH again and take back our own destiny. Good thoughts pet and sound sentiments, well said!!!

NewShadow

monnagran wrote: »

I have no right to be here as I just lurk in the background usually but I've been fascinated reading all your thoughts on the referendum.

You are always more than welcome to chip in on any topic - please come back some time.

“Sometimes you can’t figure out the truth because you’re asking people that are emotionally or socially invested in you to be brutally honest. Often family or friends will tell you what you want to hear, or what they want to believe because of their emotional investment in the situation.

Instead of circling the drain with biased speculation, go out and get twenty unbiased people that have nothing to lose if they speak their mind and then ask them what they think.”

Shannon Alder

nuatha

monnagran wrote: »

I have no right to be here as I just lurk in the background usually but I've been fascinated reading all your thoughts on the referendum.

You've as much right as I have (or any body else that posts on this thread). I value your contributions whether here or the Garden Fence or anywhere else - I may not agree with what you say, but I do appreciate reading what you share (and I really appreciate the way you write).

I get a certain wry amusement hearing the two sides jumping on any bandwagon that offers itself. I really don't know how the economics will work out if we go or stay. I don't know how migration will work out if we go or stay. I don't know how trade will work out if we go or stay. But I absolutely do know that those people who are telling us that they know how things are going to work out if we go or stay CERTAINLY don't know.

That is probably the most accurate statement I'll read in this entire debate (in any venue).

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On a purely emotional level I am proud to be British and have absolutely no wish to be a dot in the United States of Europe. Yes, I believe that is the long game being played.
All of us who were born before the war have a lot of patriotism as part of our make up. Whatever became of the British Bulldog? I lot of neutering seems to have taken place, but I do believe that our national chacteristics should be cherished, not watered down by faceless bureaucrats many miles away who have their own agendas and their own off-shore bank accounts to nurture.

Or neutered by politicians a lot closer to home who's faces regularly appear on TV and in the press. (Who also nurture their own tax avoiding business and bank accounts)
I saw a list earlier today of changes in Britain being blamed on the EU: the death of coal mining, steel industry, ship building, free school milk; the sale of public utilities, gas, electric and water, privatisation of rail, the sale of the Royal Mail, and the demise of the fishing industry. The list was attributed to a Tory MP who's party presided over all of them as Tory policy, not the EU - I'm not saying the EU is blameless in the slightest, I just wish politicians would stop re-writing history whenever it suits them.

This is not a cogent argument, this is a purely personal and emotional point of view. But what other basis do I have for whatever decision I am to make?

I honestly wish you had a better basis for making a rational well thought out decision, but the politicians and the media on both sides seem to have conspired to prevent any rational decision from being made.
While I'm making impossible wishes, I could wish for ....

Emotional points of view are all we really have in this debate, and I'd rather listen to people's whose views I value, express honest emotions than politicians say anything.

I'm leaving now before you all start shouting at me.

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Hoy, come back and be hugged? (I could put it in uppercase if you wish to be shouted at?)

Cheapskate my apologies, I wasn't meaning to ignore your post, quite the opposite, but I seem to keep forgetting to say welcome back. Hopefully life gets back to an even keel for you.