Preparedness for when

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Certainly the state of shock means the movement of the survivors should be at a minimum, and that an attempt to calm them should be made.

The dead should be separated from the living.

The deaths are part of the frightening strangeness of the situation, especially for the relatives of the dead.

The only uses of whiskey are as an aid in fire building and as a fuel for a torch

Incorrect. It can be used to sterilise flesh, before lancing a boil/blister, and to harden the soles of the feet.

It can also be used to disinfect the hands of the person administering the treatment.

GreyQueen

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

I can skin and prep a rabbit, in under 5 minutes, but I've never tried it on human being, so we're into kind of unknown territory.

I can dismantle a wood pigeon or other non-aquatic bird in about 3 mins.

Let me adapt the technique with view to a human. Firstly, holding your human by the chest, extending the arm and feeling for the join of the shoulder to the body. Fully extend the limb and rotate 360 degrees until limb pops off. Repeat on other arm.

Turning the person upside down, fully extend the neck and pull of the head. Turn body right-size up and slide your thumbs, knuckle to knuckle, into the neck, leaving your fingers outside. Turn torso inside out, popping out the pyramidcal breast bone with the bulk of the meat attached.

:huh: Hmm, don't think a straighforward avian-to-human transfer of technique is feasible.

NewShadow

GreyQueen wrote: »

:huh: Hmm, don't think a straighforward avian-to-human transfer of technique is feasible.

Not unless you've bracers of giants strength in your carry-on...

Been scouting around some Japanese sites - due to the likelihood of natural disasters the japanese gov recommend everyone preps for an emergency happening anytime.

Really liked this list of what to carry when:

http://www.wanavi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Emergency-Supply-Checklist.pdf

nuatha

NewShadow wrote: »

Don't Panic!

I'm gathering hints and tips for perfecting my ribs.

As log as Bob has a knife about for the carving, someone else can have my chocolate, as the co-pilot and I get aquatinted :rotfl:

If anyone's interested in the actual answers:

Thank you for the post and the follow up.
If rescue is likely to be within a fairly short time frame, I'd hold off on the long pig - generally the media and public reaction has been a lot less than favourable and you still need to be able to live in society after rescue.
Wire wool - this needs to be teased out to allow plenty of air spaces in the wool to encourage combustion - it also throws sparks, some quite a distance and some of the sparks will continue burning on landing - containing the wool you use as a fire starter would be a good approach.
(Wire wool is often used by photographers to provide an alternate light source and add interest to night photography, it can also be ignited with a 9V battery.)

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

I can skin and prep a rabbit, in under 5 minutes, but I've never tried it on human being, so we're into kind of unknown territory.

You could get away without skinning, though searing the hairs off might be useful, depending on whether you are aiming for crackling or not.

pollyanna_26

GQ You're scaring me now ! At this point can I point out I'm a lifelong skinny minnie ( not a lot of flesh on these bones ) please can I go to the back of the sacraficial queue ? although no doubt someone will come along with a use for me !
polly

NewShadow

nuatha wrote: »

If rescue is likely to be within a fairly short time frame, I'd hold off on the long pig - generally the media and public reaction has been a lot less than favourable and you still need to be able to live in society after rescue.

A very interesting account of passengers stranded for 72 days in the mountains after a small plane crash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes_flight_disaster#Cannibalism

Pol - you have use. Every living person huddled together generates about 100watts of heat. Anything above 500watt in a (reasonably) enclosed space should stop us from dying. Just got to keep feeding you chocolate to keep you generating that heat.

pollyanna_26

Can I confess to being one of those annoying people who burn off calories .
However I do have Fibro so can get very hot so I can be the central heating .
polly

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NewShadow wrote: »

A very interesting account of passengers stranded for 72 days in the mountains after a small plane crash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes_flight_disaster#Cannibalism

That's the movie I mentioned (called Alive), in Post 38454.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alive_(1993_film)

GreyQueen

pollyanna_26 wrote: »

GQ You're scaring me now ! At this point can I point out I'm a lifelong skinny minnie ( not a lot of flesh on these bones ) please can I go to the back of the sacraficial queue ? although no doubt someone will come along with a use for me !
polly

:cool: Slim people have a multitude of uses around the crash site. There may well be a howling wind whistling through a gap in our crashed plane's fusilage, a gap just about perfectly suitable for a slender individual like your good self............ :rotfl:

Well, I didn't get it quite 'right' but I knew better than to try hiking around in those conditions even with a map and a compass. 20 miles is a several hours' walk in optimum conditions on level ground. I'm guessing most of us have walked on ice/ in snow at some point in our lives and are aware of how wearying the uncertain footing is, and how it makes one mile feel more like three. One bad fall, with a sprained ankle or knee and you'd be disabled and likely to die shortly afterwards.

At the opposite end of the climatic spectrum, staying with your vehicle/ aircraft is also true. I read a documentary about a group of people whose vehicle broke down on a desert road in blistering heat. The strongest member of the party set off to find aid.

He was lost within hours (and the people who stayed behind with the vehicle were rescued within hours) and then rescuers with expert trackers doing heli-hopping to cover a lot of terrain were hunting for him. They found him before he could die of bad choices and poisoning by sampling the moisture inside a cacti which greatly worsened.

We may smile to ourselves at imagining being up in the wilds of Canada or the Sahara, but never forget that people die of exposure in British winters (and sometimes in British springs, summers and autumns) even in their own gardens.

I was reading an outdoorsy survival book by an American who had done adventurous stuff all over the world. He freely admitted the nearest he'd come to dying of exposure was the English Lake District and if he'd not got down off the hills and below the treeline and tucked himself up in a bus shelter, it would have gone very badly for him.

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If the snow is deep enough, it might be preferable to dig snow holes, than to stay outdoors, or inside the aeroplane.