Preparedness for when

pollyanna_26

Mar Words fail me !!!
I left a reply on your new thread earlier and this is my thanks .
polly- who will remember your greed if TSHTF !

mardatha

Well ok. You can have the bit I dropped. I'll dust it for you

Frugalsod

GreyQueen wrote: »

When the S hits the F, it will be the devious cheating cheaters who survive, count on it.:p

jk0, I was thinking if it gets really bad, I could shoot Bob and make a good meal for the rest of us. Probably with fava beans and a pine nut accomanyment.

What no Chianti? :beer:

Frugalsod

elaine241 wrote: »

Re last plane scenario after the choclate etc was gone no one mentioned eating the pilots!! Bob mentioned cannabilising the wiring, but in a freezing cold situation the bodies are not going to decay and we would have a fire going! Pilot on a stick anyone?

Creeps very quickly back into hiding before tbeing told off!!:rotfl:

I doubt that, I suspect that any fatalities will become meal of the day with this lot. Remember in such situations if you have not discussed who to eat first, then you have already been chosen as the next meal by the rest.

jk0

This video just popped up on my Youtube suggestions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDsI-zk6gfE&ebc=ANyPxKoA8bjYwUKtVC49KYT8ZBk7oD_Qs5XzKT79wP3qZ-GVlhn6SSqh7J7P0jyOhSFTrzLw9H4ILLq9MJ-inECYqv8JoyjXGA

At first glance, just seems to be a lovely old film shown at the close of American TV for the night. However, if you really slow it down...

pollyanna_26

Frugalsod Good job we are not made of chocolate then - not that I'm bitter ! In the interests of survival and the spirit of the thread I forgive the lady up the hill . You can keep the broken bit Mar (that's if you haven't eaten it already ) I have looked forward for years to the tumbrels rolling and Mar , myself and others being a mass of Madame Defarge lookalikes around the guillotines . You can't knit and eat chocolate at the same time - although madam has probably worked out a way around that ! I have long been wondering why her knitted ark project never saw the light of day - Did thorntons have an amazing sale ?
GQ Did really well with her replies , damn bears let her down .
I too detect a softening in the BB and GQ interactions . Has BB printed off her post and is gazing hopefully at it ?
Thanks Frugalsod for the Hannibal image - just what I needed on a wild and windy night - not !
polly

NewShadow

Don't Panic!

I'm gathering hints and tips for perfecting my ribs.

As log as Bob has a knife about for the carving, someone else can have my chocolate, as the co-pilot and I get aquatinted :rotfl:

If anyone's interested in the actual answers:

EXPLANATION

Mid-January is the coldest time of year in Northern Canada. The first problem the survivors face is the preservation of body heat and the protection against its loss. This problem can be solved by building a fire, minimizing movement and exertion, using as much insulation as possible, and
constructing a shelter.

The participants have just crash-landed. Many individuals tend to overlook the enormous shock reaction this has on the human body, and the deaths of the pilot and co-pilot increases the shock [for normal people: ed]. Decision-making under such circumstances is extremely difficult. Such a situation requires a strong emphasis on the use of reasoning for making decisions and for reducing fear and panic. Shock would be shown in the survivors by feelings of helplessness, loneliness, hopelessness, and fear. These feelings have brought about more fatalities than perhaps any other cause in survival situations. Certainly the state of shock means the movement of the survivors should be at a minimum, and that an attempt to calm them should be made.

Before taking off, a pilot has to file a flight plan which contains vital information such as the course, speed, estimated time of arrival, type of aircraft, and number of passengers. Search-and-rescue operations begin shortly after the failure of a plane to appear at its destination at the estimated time of arrival.

The 20 miles to the nearest town is a long walk under even ideal conditions, particularly if one is not used to walking such distances. In this situation, the walk is even more difficult due to shock, snow, dress, and water barriers. It would mean almost certain death from freezing and exhaustion. At temperatures of minus 25 to minus 40, the loss of body heat through exertion is a very serious matter.

Once the survivors have found ways to keep warm, their next task is to attract the attention of search planes. Thus, all the items the group has salvaged must be assessed for their value in signaling the group’s whereabouts.

RANKINGS

1. Cigarette lighter (without fluid)
The gravest danger facing the group is exposure to cold. The greatest need is for a source of warmth and the second greatest need is for signaling devices. This makes building a fire the first order of business. Without matches, something is needed to produce sparks, and even without fluid, a cigarette lighter can do that.

2. Ball of steel wool
To make a fire, the survivors need a means of catching he sparks made by the cigarette lighter. This is the best substance for catching a spark and supporting a flame, even if the steel wool is a little wet.

3. Extra shirt and pants for each survivor
Besides adding warmth to the body, clothes can also be used for shelter, signaling, bedding, bandages, string (when unraveled), and fuel for the fire.


4. Can of Crisco shortening
This has many uses. A mirror-like signaling device can be made from the lid. After shining the lid with steel wool, it will reflect sunlight and generate 5 to 7 million candlepower. This is bright enough to be seen beyond the horizon. While this could be limited somewhat by the trees, a member of the group could climb a tree [after you bob...]and use the mirrored lid to signal search planes. If they had no other means of signaling than this, they would have a better than 80% chance of being rescued within the first day.
There are other uses for this item. It can be rubbed on exposed skin for protection against the cold. When melted into an oil, the shortening is helpful as fuel. When soaked into a piece of cloth, melted shortening will act like a candle. The empty can is useful in melting snow for drinking water. It is much safer to drink warmed water than to eat snow, since warm water will help retain body heat. Water is important because dehydration will affect decision-making. The can is also useful as a cup.

5. 20 x 20 foot piece of canvas
The cold makes shelter necessary, and canvas would protect against wind and snow (canvas is used in making tents). Spread on a frame made of trees, it could be used as a tent or a wind screen. It might also be used as a ground cover to keep the survivors dry. It’s shape, when contrasted with the surrounding terrain, makes it a signaling device.

6. Small ax
Survivors need a constant supply of wood in order to maintain the fire. The ax could be used for this as well as for clearing a sheltered campsite, cutting tree branches for ground insulation, and constructing a frame for the canvas tent.

7. Family size chocolate bars (one per person)
Chocolate will provide some food energy. Since it contains mostly carbohydrates, it supplies the energy without making digestive demands on the body.

8. Newspapers (one per person)
These are useful in starting a fire. They can also be used as insulation under clothing when rolled up and placed around a person’s arms and legs. A newspaper can also be used as a verbal signaling device when rolled up in a megaphone-shape [I get the impression we're a loud bunch, but we could roll it up and swat the bear's nose with it?]. It could also provide reading material for recreation.

9. Loaded .45-caliber pistol
The pistol provides a sound-signaling device. (The international distress signal is 3 shots fired in rapid succession). There have been numerous cases of survivors going undetected because they were too weak to make a loud enough noise to attract attention. The butt of the pistol could be used as a hammer, and the powder from the shells will assist in fire building. By placing a small bit of cloth in a cartridge emptied of its bullet, one can start a fire by firing the gun at dry wood on the ground. The pistol also has some serious disadvantages. Anger, frustration, impatience, irritability, and lapses of rationality may increase as the group awaits rescue [And lack of chocolate...]. The availability of a lethal weapon is a danger to the group under these conditions. Although a pistol could be used in hunting, it would take an expert marksman to kill an animal with it. Then the animal would have to be transported to the crash site, which could prove difficult to impossible depending on its size.

10. Quart of 100 proof whiskey
The only uses of whiskey are as an aid in fire building and as a fuel for a torch (made by soaking a piece of clothing in the whiskey and attaching it to a tree branch). The empty bottle could be used for storing water. The danger of whiskey is that someone might drink it, thinking it would bring warmth. Alcohol takes on the temperature it is exposed to, and a drink of minus 30 degrees fahrenheit whiskey would freeze a person’s esophagus and stomach. Alcohol also dilates the blood vessels in the skin, resulting in chilled blood belong carried back to the heart, resulting in a rapid loss of body heat. Thus, a drunk person is more likely to get hypothermia than a sober person is.

11. Compass
Because a compass might encourage someone to try to walk to the nearest town, it is a dangerous item. It’s only redeeming feature is that it could be used as a reflector of sunlight (due to its glass top).

12. Sectional air map made of plastic
This is also among the least desirable of the items because it will encourage individuals to try to walk to the nearest town. It’s only useful feature is as a ground cover to keep someone dry.

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NewShadow wrote: »

As log as Bob has a knife about for the carving, someone else can have my chocolate, as the co-pilot and I get acquainted :rotfl:

I can skin and prep a rabbit, in under 5 minutes, but I've never tried it on human being, so we're into kind of unknown territory.

pollyanna_26

New Shadow Thanks for the follow up post , interesting reading .
polly

NewShadow

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

I can skin and prep a rabbit, in under 5 minutes, but I've never tried it on human being, so we're into kind of unknown territory.

Rabbits easy - like taking off a glove.

This might be a little harder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48IluWxin7c (Not suitable for the squeamish!)