Preparedness for when

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Forest gardens Frugal, look up forest gardens and it's 3D gardening from under the earth to the top of the tree tops, magic stuff!!!

RAS

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Invested in the latest 'PERMACULTURE' magazine when I was in town this morning, very useful article in there about using the compost heap to generate hot water that might be a very handy method should there be power grid problems. Worth a read.

Great wasn't it, as long as you have woodchip amd manure? I was thinking that in the UK it might take longer to get going and stay working longer. So rather than 7-14 weeks and 5 showers a day, it might be 3 a day for longer?

On-line http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/shower-free

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maryb wrote: »

The point is you would be entitled to freedom of movement within the EU on an Irish passport even if they bring back border controls for the UK following a Brexit

They never got rid of border controls, for the UK.

NewShadow

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Okays - I think I figured they could claim to be an EU national - but what would they use that status for (ie from the position of being in Britain or Southern Ireland)? In what way might it be useful?

Add in - that if (when!!!) the EU breaks up anyway (which its all the more likely to do if Britain leaves it and sets a precedent) they would have "nationality" for a "country" that no longer exists iyswim?

I understand why people of other nationalities claim "British nationality" and get a British passport if they move to Britain - but they are actually living in Britain iyswim.

First up - I'm knackered (extremely long week so far), so bullet points are not meant to be in anyway aggressive or patronising.

As previously, Southern Ireland is a 'Sovereign state' - Northern Ireland is a region of the UK (Like Wales) - handy diagram https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg

Southern Ireland is both a full member of the EU, and a member of the Eurozone.

I think it's very unlikely the UK leaving the EU would result in an EU disintegration within the next 10 years - The countries would need to decide, then negotiate their exits, and most would likely wait to see how the UK did first.

Even if the EU did dissolve, I would still have duel nationality to two separate countries.

Ireland means Southern Ireland for the purpose of this ramble.

If I/someone were to get Irish/British Duel Nationality:

1. Should I need/want to, as an Irish citizen, I would be able to move to/work in/retire in/claim benefits in/get married in/study Ireland and the UK as a national. Might be useful if I need (for example) a medical treatment which is offered there but not here. Or if I wanted to take advantage of the long standing relationship between Ireland and America to get an expedited work visa/ use a job placement scheme to work in the USA.

2. If the UK were to leave the EU, it's possible the free travel and residency rights (meaning you can move to and live in a different country without a visa on a semi or perm basis) could be revoked or made harder. If I was Irish, I could travel freely and live through the EU as I can now.

3. If I became duel I would have guaranteed right of access and right to live in both countries - If TSRHTF and there was some chemical spill in the UK or something, I wouldn't have to wait long to be evacuated. Embassies always priorities citizens being repatriated in an emergency.

3b. Plus, no waiting in queue at the airports for two countries :rotfl:

3c. There are certain parts of the world you can't go if you've been to other places such as, Saudi Arabia and Syria who do not let people enter the country if you have visited Israel. Two passports can also be handy if you want to go somewhere like hong kong - you have to send your passport to the embassy and visas can take 5 weeks!

4. Protection of a consulate of a country that hasn't really pee'd a lot of other countries off - Everyone loves the Irish!

5. When you inherit money, or take a pension, there's a funny bit of legislation (Which I don't fully understand) that means you can choose to take it under the laws of the country you're living in, the country it came from, or the country of your birth. Tax rates differ in different places - Ireland (as Google and Amazon both know) is quite low.

Hope you have a lovely day, and we should ban all pre-election periods.

I may turn this into words later.

jk0

Irish/British Duel Nationality

I thought we were friends nowadays?

meanmarie

Nit picking I know but could I point out that there is no such state as Southern Ireland? The Republic of Ireland or Poblacht na hEireann consists of 26 of the 32 counties of the whole island. Northern Ireland contains the other 6 counties. Eire is the Gaelic name for the whole island. As I was born before the establishment of the Republic here I can
qualify for an English( or UK, is there a difference?) Passport.

Not sure of benefits for UK citizens to move here.......there is free travel for over 66s, and medical care (with queues)for over 70s below a certain income. Social housing can be difficult to get, tv license is free, there is a small free electricity allowance and thefull state pension is currently €233.80 for a single person, but I think that contributions have to have been paid here to qualify. Mardatha......Connemara would be lovely, but rent prohibitive if you had to rent privately.

All of the above is in the nature of information.......come and see me those of you who decide to live amongst us.

Marie

maryb

I recall some years ago when there was a flare up in, I think, Lebanon and the UK took two weeks to arrange evacuation for Brits, the Irish Embassy just hired a couple of coaches and drove to Syria with its nationals.

But if you enter a country on a particular passport you can only apply to the embassy of that country for assistance. And the sort of country where you might need evacuation usually stamps your passport on entry so they would know.

Perplexed_Pineapple

Evening all. Found this that seemed relevant (if a bit basic for habitues of this forum):
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/this-is-why-you-wont-survive-the-apocalypse--by7MN5BPCe
I have all the things he mentions in my emergency bag, although I'm never quite sure that 60' of rope is worth the space and weight it occupies.

daz278

quick one the ultimate super prepper film ... the martian ....read it on kindle about a year ago....the ultimate in self reliance....do i need to say its fiction?

GreyQueen

Perplexed_Pineapple wrote: »

Evening all. Found this that seemed relevant (if a bit basic for habitues of this forum):
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/this-is-why-you-wont-survive-the-apocalypse--by7MN5BPCe
I have all the things he mentions in my emergency bag, although I'm never quite sure that 60' of rope is worth the space and weight it occupies.

I read that earlier in the day and, although I agree with the STEM skillsets in point of being able to make a timely return to business as usual, I was surprised at the list of important things. Of course, business as usual in an advanced oil-driven society might not ever be achievable.

See a cut & paste of it below with my comments in blue.

1. Making and repairing tools Unless everything currently in existance evaporates, there will be no shortage of tools around to scavenge. 2-3 garden sheds and 2-3 house contents are likely to provide all the tools needed to build/ repair most things, up to and including building a simple wooden dwelling.


2. Preserving food Potable water will be the most important supply, and the most difficult to secure, if modern treatment plants and electrically-pumped supplies are off. Without potable water, people get very sick, very quickly, and many epidemic diseases will spread.


And preserving food pre-supposes having surplus crops or foragings to preserve - there will be a lot of food items already industrially preserved in tins, packets and glass jars which will need to be foraged-for first. The time lag until needing to preserve anything could be 6+ months, depending on time of year.


3. Making chemical substances Really? Which substances does he mean, just about anything is a chemical substance. Like vinegar, which will be a very useful resource for the food preserving.


4. Making things from wood Again, most of the things already in existance will still exist, so knowing how to make bedsteads or chairs is going to be of limited use and certainly not a survival skill. Anyone with a pole lathe (neolithic technology) and an axe and some rushes for a seat can rustle up a chair and you don't need a STEM degree for that.


5. Basic first aid Should be first or second on the list. If you screw up here, that cut could get infected and kill you.


6. Growing crops or rearing animals Millions of people know how to grow crops on the small scale with no imput from oil - we call 'em gardeners. There are also farmers, and some of them would have a clue about non-powered cultivation/ animal husbandry, too. There are plenty of backyard chickens and bunnies around. There are also tens of millions of books around about gardening and they ain't all about petunias.


7. Making clothes Repairing existing clothes is a common skill. Highly-unlikely to be sewing new garments from scratch in a crisis situation, more likely to be scavenging for existing ones, repairing and modifying them. Shoes and boots would become a problem after a very few years, as existing ones wore out and weren't designed to be repairable in the first place. Cobblers will rule.


8. How to fix engines and machines Most of which will require petroleum and oil derivatives, as fuel and lubricants, which came out of refineries. If the source of those dries up, knowing how to fine-tune an internal combustion engine will be as much use as embroidery. Mind you, I know at least one factory hand who built a working steam engine in his back yard in his spare time, and he'd be a useful man to have on your team.




Yup, I can see a computer programmer with a severe case of the squits trying to make a case to a farming community about why he is an essential person to take into their clan.