Preparedness for when

COOLTRIKERCHICK

My first reaction is to leave, as all we seem to be doing is moaning about one thing or another re EU, whether is the free movement of people within Europe, benefits, the UK financial contribution is much larger than what we gain back( don't know if this is true , or just someone telling me wrong info) in EU grants etc.

By leaving, maybe the government might start concentrating on British businesses for a change. And start encouraging us to support and buy British, so more money stays within Britain??

If we do vote to get out of the EU, does that mean we can go back to the good old lbs and onces again???

The only down side I can see no cases can go to the European justice system to over rule decisions made here??

moneyistooshorttomention

pineapple wrote: »

I have no idea whether we will lose out trade wise if we move. But I don't alltogether buy the security scare stories or the financial ones for that matter.

Wish I had kept the link but read a piece ages ago about how some of the initiators of the 'Common Market' were aiming at political union all along. Whether or not our then politicians were complicit remains to be seen.
It just gives me an uneasy feeling that we have been duped. It's been a gently tightening noose and whatever Cameron says, that noose can only get tighter.
Indeed I suspect it may already be too late. I am not convinced we will be allowed, one way or another, to leave anyway.
So that's my gut feeling on it.

Prepared to be 100% wrong however. Looking for some neutral source putting the argument both ways
But have a read of this. Something to applaud or something to be concerned about?
http://www.europedia.moussis.eu/books/Book_2/3/8/?all=1

Goes off to see if there is a horses head on her pillow

You've just reminded me Pineapple that - all those years back - I had a very eccentric and very right-wing (whatever that means....though I seem to remember he might have been in the National Front) neighbour that had an absolute theme tune of telling us all that political union was the eventual "name of the game" and had been planned all along.

We all thought he was daft at the time....:cool:. Hmmm...

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COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

The only down side I can see no cases can go to the European justice system to over rule decisions made here??

That's a down side :huh:

Nargleblast

When the country voted in 1975 I wasn't old enough, but I knew someone who did vote. She was a devout Christian and I remember her saying that somewhere in the Bible it was forecast that ? 15 nations would join together and cause doom and havoc in the world. Consequently, there being that number of members in the EEC at the time, she voted OUT.

We all thought she was barking at the time, but 41 years later, things have come to pass that make me think she had a point.

I will follow the debates with interest.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

That's a down side :huh:

Wasn't it we couldn't get rid of terrorists to another country due to EU blocking it re human rights??

Plus what if the government want to do some laws that screw us?? ( even more than they do now??)

I must admit I am not up to date on things so might be getting mixed up here lol..

NewShadow

nuatha wrote: »

One of the major arguments of the No campaign was that Scotland would loss its EU membership. If the UK leaves the EU that is a sufficiently major constitutional change that the once in a generation gentleman's agreement falls. Scotland is already "enjoying" the broken promises of the No campaign.

I think it's going to be interesting/amusing to see if/how the two campaigns use the risk of Scotland leaving the uk with a brexit.

I know there was an awful lot of chundering in various parts of England around the referendum, and for some the possible loss of Scotland could well be a tipping point in favour of 'out'.

I'm also finding the papers interesting today - I was reading all about how the EU has given us all our decent working conditions, and how we'll go back to the victorian ways of working under the conservatives if we leave - all said by the TUC General Secretary, Frances O'Grady.

Hold on a sec... I thought "Strong Trade Unions"™ were responsible for our 'fabulous' working conditions?

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COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

Wasn't it we couldn't get rid of terrorists to another country due to EU blocking it re human rights??

Hence, no longer being subject to decisions of the ECHR, would be an upside, not a downside.

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Bear in mind, the British people have never had a vote, on our membership of the EU.

They had a vote on staying in the EEC, but never had a vote, when it became the EU.

NewShadow

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

Wasn't it we couldn't get rid of terrorists to another country due to EU blocking it re human rights??

Just quietly pointing out the european court of human rights and the european union are two different thing. Leaving one would automatically lead to leaving the other...

The very first thing you need to know about the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is that it has nothing to do with the European Union.

The ECHR is not a EU treaty and membership of the EU does not formally require us to be signatories.

The EU has no responsibility or oversight of the ECHR, which is separately upheld by domestic courts and the European Court of Human Rights.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/six-things-you-should-know-4370967

Please excuse a redtop link

COOLTRIKERCHICK

I am a bit of a witwat ( silly person) when it comes to understanding things like this...

I think as nuatha said if we stay or if we go, there is going to be complications/ trouble etc for us..

So if we vote to stay on n. The conditions that Cameron has asked for, that they have agreed to, will only last for 7 years?? And after that we are back to square one??

And if we leave, they said we will never be allowed back in??

I think if we vote to leave, this might open the gates for other EU countries to day fook it, we want to go too..

If the prices of imported food from the EU go up, then surely this would stop Britain being a dumping ground for the glut of pork that is around at the moment.. ( or any other mass produced food that will be able n the future??

Or.....as a result all subsidies for certain food/ meat produce stop, and meat like lamb would be more expensive??? Or do they only have subsidies to make them more competitive in the EU market??


Think I am confusing myself now, by trying to think about it all..

Also would landrover be able to make the defender again?? As it was because of certain EU legislation that they stopped making it:D