Preparedness for when

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I don't think that terrorists play life by the same rule book as the rest of humanity. I think the nature of terror is to create fear, confusion, suspicion, unrest, chaos in fact. Their objective is to disrupt that way of life without regard or responsibility for anyones human rights or dignities or consideration and respect for human life until they have wrought the changes to society that they intend to do, they are in fact so caught up in their ideaologies and zeal that their viewpoint is all that is real to them and if they can justify their actions by convincing themselves that it is for a religious cause they obviously think that they have righteousness on their side.

It must be a very difficult thing to be a police person and have to make the decisions on just who is or is not involved, they wouldn't act without some intelligence about any group of people, some innocents will inevitably be caught up in that but better that than unchecked carnage on our UK or any other nations streets. Collateral damage I think it's called. The alternative is I suppose to do nothing and let it all happen? I so wish I had the answers, unfortunately it's not so!

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MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Their objective is to disrupt that way of life without regard or responsibility for anyone's human rights or dignities or consideration and respect for human life until they have wrought the changes to society that they intend to do

Quite, and by changing our laws, to deprive suspects of their right to legal counsel, and involving our country in Extraordinary Rendition, unlimited detention without trial, etc., they are indeed causing us to make undesirable changes to our society.

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Do we have a choice?

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MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Do we have a choice?

Yes, I think we do.

We managed to get through decades of Irish terrorism, without running around like headless chickens, enacting knee-jerk draconian laws, which deprived us of our basic legal rights, and deporting untried suspects to other countries, to be kept locked up for over a decade.

I think we need to keep a little perspective.

ALIBOBSY

Sadly I think the terrorism and at least the perceived threat of terrorism will be use to create tighter and tighter laws that will end up being used against ALL of us.

Sure I read somewhere of countries bringing in laws where simply criticizing the government is enough to get you arrested and believe I read about a human right activist who was arrested and held after voicing out against DC and his mob recently.

The reality is once we give up our freedoms they will be gone forever, I expect more of more "reasons" to be pushed out through the mainstream media to advance tighter controls on the internet as the freedom of information is the last thing those at the top of a failing empire want.


Ali x

ALIBOBSY

Plus the fact we are a target is entirely because we have gone into ill advised wars in the middle east and our government STILL condones the sales of arms to many, many terrible regimes. Sadly many british soldiers have been killed with british weapons in the last few years.

Ali x

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ALIBOBSY wrote: »

Sadly I think the terrorism and at least the perceived threat of terrorism will be use to create tighter and tighter laws that will end up being used against ALL of us.

And we're back to the Hegelian Dialectic.

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I don't think the comparison can be made between the terrorist organisations in existence in the present day and anything of that nature that has gone before. I feel that these new groups are barbaric beyond even a foetid imaginations wildest imaginings, they give the impression of revelling in the bloodletting and mayhem that they perpetrate, enjoying the cruelty and taking of lives in the most archaic and brutal way they can, and I think we can't NOT change as a society but must change in ways that we feel are necessary not be forced into changes by the actions of the terrorist organisations. Some of those changes will inevitably not be what a peaceful and democratic society will be happy with but will be necessary for our protection and you can't have life both ways. Either the law enforcers and armed forces will be given the powers they need to ensure the safety of the population and people will have to accept or we can roll over on our backs and do nothing, letting the terrorists free rein to do whatever they want to. I know which alternative I'd be happier with.

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MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

I don't think the comparison can be made between the terrorist organisations in existence in the present day and anything of that nature that has gone before.

I think you can. Irish sectarian terrorism was, IMO, every bit as horrific as the current terrorism.

I feel that these new groups are barbaric beyond even a fetid imaginations wildest imaginings

More barbaric than putting bombs in litter bins, on a busy Saturday afternoon, killing two children and injuring dozens of other people?

More barbaric than planting a bomb at a Cenotaph, on Remembrance Sunday, killing eleven and injuring sixty three more?

they give the impression of revelling in the bloodletting and mayhem that they perpetrate

And the IRA, INLA, etc. didn't?

Some of those changes will inevitably not be what a peaceful and democratic society will be happy with but will be necessary for our protection and you can't have life both ways.

I'm reminded of a saying I heard many years ago.

I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

To me, freedom is non-negotiable.

Frugalsod

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

I think with something as insidious and potentially threatening as terrorism the police can't take chances and wait until there IS definite proof. The mere fact that there is suspicion of an individual and they HAVE to consider associates, aquaintances and family as potentially involved, they wouldn't be doing their job of keeping us safe if they DIDN'T check people out would they? It is very sad that some innocents are wrongly suspected and then have a blemish against their names for the rest of their lives but the alternative is waiting until an individual actually commits a terror offence and by then lives are lost and lives are destroyed in a more final way than just having been checked by the police.

Yes but if they have strong suspicions why not tail them until they are about to commit their act of terrorism. Getting ambushed in the actual process would be incontrovertible proof and would allow fewer arrests and a higher conviction rate. Such programs are expensive and would be a reasonable justification for more resources to do their jobs without actually arresting innocent people.

I have to agree with bob a false arrest for such offences can cause significant problems later on in life. It is not about being weak on terrorism.

The fact is that life has hazards but just to keep some moaner safe from everything is not worth my losing my rights.