Preparedness for when

Frugalsod

There are so many problems with that. What if you live in an economic blackspot with hundreds of applicants for every single zero hours job? After a while I defy anyone not to get despondent and give up eventually. Yet they may never get the opportunity to do their bit. Sure they could do some volunteer work but all that does is effectively outsource someones job to the voluntary sector.

If they all got on their bikes and ended up in London you could cause the collapse of what remains of that community. Hospitals that were adequate for the area would be surplus and then the doctors and nurses would all haver to move to London. Thus driving up a housing bubble ever higher or wages ever lower. Neither of which would be good long term. With inadequate housing in those areas with jobs there would be slums created because of the simple lack of affordable housing even if there were plenty of jobs.

What about the disabled? They have a hard enough time as it is trying to get work, without being labeled scroungers. So if they cannot get a job do you starve them? Many employers do not want anyone disabled and what about those with mental health problems. We struggle as a nation to treat those with post natal depression adequately and that can happen to many women.

The problem with many schemes to exclude foreign benefit tourists you also exclude locals.

thriftwizard

Admits that if I were in a "If I ruled the world" set-up I'd get together a panel of the best brains in our society/put them all in a room together and say "Right - brainstorming time. What way can you think of between you to deal with this?"

MTSTM, a quick observation here: having at one stage belonged to an organisation allegedly catering for the very best brains in our society (heaven knows how I got in!) they were without doubt the weirdest, most bizarre group of people I've ever had the privilege to meet. Brains aplenty, common sense & compassion - zilch. I think I'd prefer to let the wisest people in our society come up with some ideas - and not the most "successful" in economic terms either.

daz278

Still no internet. Works on the block set to continue till November. Dads prepping for me now i get 3 tins a week ham. Corn beef and salmon. How can i have crystal clear phone line and no internet ? Although I accept there are worse calamities that could happen

Ryanna2599

After making peanut butter I've been looking at homemade Nutella recipes online and they vary considerably...some add sugar or condensed milk or honey whilst others add nothing other than the chocolate for sweetness. Does anyone have a recipe they'd recommend? In addition, any suggestions of the best place to buy hazlenuts (supermarket?)...? Thanks Anna

moneyistooshorttomention

FrugalSod

Hence why I said words about "if you are trying to the best of your ability" and allowing for if people are being handicapped by illness on the one hand or lack of jobs to apply for on the other hand. I certainly don't expect people to be penalised for their own illness on the one hand or not being able to find suitable jobs to apply for on the other hand - as neither of those things are their fault. I've been in both those positions myself - and that was the thing, ie I continued trying to the best of my ability (ie doing what I could to earn money allowing for those factors that weren't under my control).

Thriftwizard - fair enough to include some of the "wisest" people in our community in the thinktank as well. Errrr...there is rather a problem there in working out just who these "wisest" people are though. Do we pick people who are regarded in their area as "Pillars of the Community"? Well....I don't know how that goes in communities as a whole - but I can think of two PofC's here and both are very well-regarded. However, I have found out that both of them ...errrrm....how shall I put it? - aren't as honest as I would expect even from non-PofC's, to the extent that I have been wondering if I should report one of them in fact for theft.

Any suggestions as to how to pick the "wisest" then in view of the fact that I'm sure many PofC's are rather less than morally upright characters? - as I cant think of how to choose. Only one person I know anywhere qualifies under those terms (ie an ordinary person in street - and not at all a so-called Pillar of C).

mardatha

Thriftwizard if you're talking about Mensa then I definitely agree. I went to one meet many years ago, came out totally gobsmacked and never went back!
Am seeing a few articles talking about China lately, instability in their currency and stock market - wondering what that might lead to.

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I think too highly of this world to even contemplate being in charge of it! What we need is an application of the rules made with common sense and integrity. We need people in charge of all aspects of life who are honest, moral, sensible and able to take the rules that are made and apply them without prejudice and without having the foremost thought of how is this going to benefit me? Public service should be just that, not party politics and scoring juvenile points off the opposition, decisions should be made to the greater good of ALL and not influenced by personal preferences or affiliations, and certainly not influenced by backhanders in little brown envelopes. Those in charge should be publicly accountable (I don't mean vigilantes and lynching parties here) at the time of their tenure in power, truly held accountable and results of enquiries made immediately available to the entire population, that might make for honest dealings and better decision making.

moneyistooshorttomention

Obviously true. I do wonder what happens about people who aren't in elected "positions of power" (more a case of in a position of perceived influence in the community and all supporting each other - but not actually with official "roles" - and few have the courage to speak against them?)

But those people will wheedle and tweak to "get their way" around those who actually do have the "positions of power" officially.

I don't know the answer to that one...honestly cant think of a way to hold them accountable (as they don't have an official title/role they can be held to).

nuatha

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Thriftwizard - fair enough to include some of the "wisest" people in our community in the thinktank as well. Errrr...there is rather a problem there in working out just who these "wisest" people are though. Do we pick people who are regarded in their area as "Pillars of the Community"? Well....I don't know how that goes in communities as a whole - but I can think of two PofC's here and both are very well-regarded. However, I have found out that both of them ...errrrm....how shall I put it? - aren't as honest as I would expect even from non-PofC's, to the extent that I have been wondering if I should report one of them in fact for theft.

Any suggestions as to how to pick the "wisest" then in view of the fact that I'm sure many PofC's are rather less than morally upright characters? - as I cant think of how to choose. Only one person I know anywhere qualifies under those terms (ie an ordinary person in street - and not at all a so-called Pillar of C).

Look for the ones who are avoiding the job - they're certainly wiser than anyone who wants it.
I've known some seriously bright people, few of them could manage their own lives effectively, but they were/are capable of changing humanity's understanding of how the universe works. Raw intelligence can be blinding, its also lacking both common sense and practical application in many cases.

How about a revolutionary concept, elect politicians on their promises and then hold them accountable to every one of those promises, no weaselling, no I didn't fully understand the situation. If the politico wants to adopt a stance they weren't elected on then its put to a vote of their constituents - and they have to abide by the result.

Though there is very little that individuals can do to influence politicians, there is plenty we can do to prep for their actions. 33.8% of the registered to vote population didn't and 63% of those who did, didn't vote for the current government as I said, very little we can do as individuals - plenty we need to prep for.

Frugalsod

nuatha wrote: »

Though there is very little that individuals can do to influence politicians, there is plenty we can do to prep for their actions. 33.8% of the registered to vote population didn't and 63% of those who did, didn't vote for the current government as I said, very little we can do as individuals - plenty we need to prep for.

There are ways, but TPTB will not like it. Ban donations of any kind above £300 per person per year. Get lobbyists and companies out of politics. It will make it so much hard to buy a peerage for donations to one party or another.

If you are not eligible to vote then it should be a criminal offence to make political donations or lobby. Unions should name every person who makes a political contribution and same for companies who make donations on behalf of shareholders.