Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

So many facets to think of 1Tonsil and you've just introduced some more that wouldn't occur to most of us.

In mitigation of the designer clothes (which may not be "real" anyway) and the smartphones - then these are personal possessions and probably the only possessions they have left to their name now. Many of them will be genuine and have genuinely felt they had no option but to lose "noticeable" type possessions (eg house/car/etc) and have come in "what they stood up in". So its swings and roundabouts that what clothes they have on them might be "posher" but the native Greeks will have "noticeable" possessions (eg houses). I can get why some of the Greeks might be looking enviously at their clothes/etc - but there is the need to take into account the "noticeable" possessions they have lost.

The "sense of entitlement" shown by those fierce demands for "money and papers" is a bit shocking. You have the "right" to whatever-you-have-got-the-right-to in your own country. However, they aren't IN their own country - they are in someone else's country begging favours from that country (for whatever the reason they are there). It is rather incumbent on someone staying/living in someone else's country to remember they haven't brought whatever-their-own-personal-entitlement is with them across those national borders and say "Thank you" for help they get - not demanding it as of right.

I don't know whether they will still be able to get at their bank accounts or no outside their own countries? and how many of them would have any money much in those accounts?

The other side of coin is that some "nasties" (Isis and the like) are doubtless sneaking in under the cover of refugees and that is a worry to us all. Back behind this - a lot of this refugee problem is down to Isis and they have deliberately stated they want our countries to have a refugee problem...

Add in some people from non-affected countries deciding to be "refugees" as well (ie the economic migrants).

Add in the way that some of our countries (ie Britain) are finding our NHS getting treated as an "international Health Service" (I've witnessed that myself:eek:) and misguided/greedy lawyers trying to back this illicit access to our "services".

Couldn't be more of a pigs ear all round could it?:(

1Tonsil

The media is full of the news that the current Greek government have got agreement over the latest deal...its simply not true! They plan to vote on it in parliament tomorrow and a lot of ministers plan to say no and hope to bring down the current government. The goverments in other countries all have to approve it, those that are in the euro and it is not likely to happen, especially from Germany. The IMF say they cannot give any money unless there is a debt haircut, which many do not agree with.

Its going nowhere fast and I can see it all crashing down next month. Meanwhile, Germany has told Greece to solve the migrant issue or they get no bailout........if we knew how to solve it we would not have hundreds of thousands on our hands and more arriving every day! I can see no solution, and the migrants are not all from Syria, many are from Turkey and Pakistan. They dont want to stay in Greece as there is no money, no work and no benefits.....need I say more?

moneyistooshorttomention

One of my points precisely - ie migrants are now flooding in from all corners of the world (well....a heck of a lot of "corners of the world" anyway).

1Tonsil

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

So many facets to think of 1Tonsil and you've just introduced some more that wouldn't occur to most of us.

In mitigation of the designer clothes (which may not be "real" anyway) and the smartphones - then these are personal possessions and probably the only possessions they have left to their name now. Many of them will be genuine and have genuinely felt they had no option but to lose "noticeable" type possessions (eg house/car/etc) and have come in "what they stood up in". So its swings and roundabouts that what clothes they have on them might be "posher" but the native Greeks will have "noticeable" possessions (eg houses). I can get why some of the Greeks might be looking enviously at their clothes/etc - but there is the need to take into account the "noticeable" possessions they have lost.

The "sense of entitlement" shown by those fierce demands for "money and papers" is a bit shocking. You have the "right" to whatever-you-have-got-the-right-to in your own country. However, they aren't IN their own country - they are in someone else's country begging favours from that country (for whatever the reason they are there). It is rather incumbent on someone staying/living in someone else's country to remember they haven't brought whatever-their-own-personal-entitlement is with them across those national borders and say "Thank you" for help they get - not demanding it as of right.

I don't know whether they will still be able to get at their bank accounts or no outside their own countries? and how many of them would have any money much in those accounts?

The other side of coin is that some "nasties" (Isis and the like) are doubtless sneaking in under the cover of refugees and that is a worry to us all. Back behind this - a lot of this refugee problem is down to Isis and they have deliberately stated they want our countries to have a refugee problem...

Add in some people from non-affected countries deciding to be "refugees" as well (ie the economic migrants).

Add in the way that some of our countries (ie Britain) are finding our NHS getting treated as an "international Health Service" (I've witnessed that myself:eek:) and misguided/greedy lawyers trying to back this illicit access to our "services".

Couldn't be more of a pigs ear all round could it?:(

Actually, none of us foreigners can access our foreign accounts much at the moment due to the cash controls.... Many of the migrants are coming with no papers or ID and are refusing to give details of who they are and where they come from. That would make any access to foreign accounts impossible for them. You are not allowed to open a new account at a Greek bank at all, so it would be impossible for them to transfer funds here without one. In theory, you could use a credit card to get some money from the bank if you were a migrant, but I would have thought it unlikely they would bring them or that they would be valid if they had left the country suddenly. What a bloody mess eh:eek:

1Tonsil

Speaking of banks , I went to mine this morning to get our weekly allowance. We are limited how much we can draw out each week at the Greek bank. It was packed as yesterday it was closed for a holy day and will be closed Friday for the same reason. They only had two tellers on despite the big queue. Everyone was peaceful and polite and I managed to get the full amount allowed. Just hoping no big, unexpected bills come in, its very difficult having a set amount each day or week if it only covers your food and normal outgoings. If one does arrive they will just have to wait for it..which no doubt they have to do with the Greeks who are in the same situation.

We still have stormy weather around and its 39 in the shade, but the rain is hit and miss according to which village you live in. We could all do with a really good downpour to ease off the fire risk.

Right, off to sort out my cupboards and assess any food that needs replacing. Going to leave the shopping till all the holy days are over and done with!

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We're due some 'interesting' thunderstorms from the near continent overnight tonight and throughout the day tomorrow. They will very slowly move up across the country but will drop large volumes of rain wherever they occur. I'm aware we're the end of the line for electricity, it is regular ocurrence that we have flickery lights and fluctuations in power levels, I'm making sure the solar lights are fully charged and that the candles and matches are where I can just put a hand on them easily. I'm also renewing my stores of water just in case, sometimes the large volumes of run off surface water can interfere with the water supply and I'll make sure we've drinking water available, loo flushing can be anything from the butts/barrels in the garden. I'm also going to do a little extra cooking today to ensure we have things easily re heated on the camp stove should we have problems. Better safe than sorry in a potentially disruptive event.

1Tonsil

Stay safe, and good luck with the storms!

ALIBOBSY

Well th water is still not safe apparently and they can say for sure when it will be, but at least UU are now saying they will proactively contact customers to sort out compensation once things are sorted.

Meanwhile the kettle is on almost non stop, bet it packs up after all this extra usage .

Hope ev1 gets through any storms unscathed.

Ali x

greenbee

Thanks for the warning Lyn!

Our local music festival starts tomorrow, so that'll be interesting. I'm planning on doing most of my shopping today anyway, as I'm effectively trapped in the village from tomorrow due to the traffic.

In terms of preps, I've recently seen a solicitor to update my will. Among other things, he talked about the need to set up an enduring power of attorney in case something happens, and to have two people named. In order to make decisions easier for them, I need to write a signed living will, in my own handwriting to avoid any kind of dispute.

The other thing we discussed was what would happen if I and my beneficiaries were all wiped out in one go - so the final beneficiary in that event will be a charity, as charities tend not to disappear. Anything to avoid it going to the state

Frugalsod

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

In mitigation of the designer clothes (which may not be "real" anyway) and the smartphones - then these are personal possessions and probably the only possessions they have left to their name now. Many of them will be genuine and have genuinely felt they had no option but to lose "noticeable" type possessions (eg house/car/etc) and have come in "what they stood up in". So its swings and roundabouts that what clothes they have on them might be "posher" but the native Greeks will have "noticeable" possessions (eg houses). I can get why some of the Greeks might be looking enviously at their clothes/etc - but there is the need to take into account the "noticeable" possessions they have lost.

First Smart phones are now standard in most of the world, except Africa but that is changing very fast. Also these may be cheaper Chinese smartphones so barely comparable to a new iPhone.

In addition Syria was a rich country until the civil war. So these possessions would have been normal there and as for the designer clothes, from my contacts with those from the middle east they will all try and give an outward appearance of doing well regardless of what is the reality. No different to those here, all trying to maintain the three holidays a year and £600 000 mortgage.

Finally Greeks might own their homes but this is a source of anger because taxes are levied on homes and electricity so the joke in Greece is if you hate your kids give them a home, because there are so many downsides to it.

Also the situation is like turning Kos into the Greek Alcatraz, just open prisons, along with the many other Alcatrazes in the Greek peninsula.

Finally this article was in the Daily Fail, and if this supports their narrative they will splash it across the pages, if not they simply ignore it.