Preparedness for when

Karmacat

ZTD isn't a troll, no way. He has an original take on things, and can be pretty confrontational in a quiet way, but he's a thinker, and in times of bad personal events like bereavements, he's extremely kind.

cuddlymarm

Hi Thriftwizard and gang

I hope you don't mind me joining in the conversation. The only problem I can see is that the blitz spirit might not work quite as well if TSHTF because today's people are used to having things done for them whereas in the past the welfare state barely existed and you were used to having to get on with it. I like to think kindly of people but when push comes to shove you will look after you and yours first(if you see what I mean) you only need to look at how many loaves of bread etc people put in their baskets when we have snow ( much of which will probably be wasted) Sharing and being fair with others definately wouldn't come in to it for some.

Cuddles

Mojisola

thriftwizard wrote: »

I may be whistling down the wind here, but actually I wouldn't be surprised to see a resurgence of the "Blitz Spirit" if or when things got really difficult. One of my mother's favourite wartime reminiscences is how the people in their small town that everyone had previously avoided turned out to be just as helpful, hardworking, cheerful & friendly as their more middle-class neighbours when the Battle of Britain was raging overhead, or when the exhausted firemen from the blitz-hit East End were collapsing in their school canteen.

What also went on a lot in WW2 - but was played down because of the detrimental effect on morale - was the looting of bombed-out buildings, the theft of new goods during blackouts and after the bombing and their resale on the black market, the thefts from and sexual assaults on people spending the night in the air raid shelters, the making and selling of illegal alcohol which made people ill or killed them, and so on.

Every society has an element who will see times of trouble as an opportunity for taking what they want and I think we have more people like that now than in previous times.

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cuddlymarm wrote: »

Hi Thriftwizard and gang

I hope you don't mind me joining in the conversation. The only problem I can see is that the blitz spirit might not work quite as well if TSHTF
Cuddles

people were more cowed in the old days and were used to queueing and really had to get on with their neighbours as a lot of life then was down to self help. Today is a nanny state and is full of very diverse peoples, who have never been brought up in the old traditions. I live in a small village and I do believe that we would indeed pull together and look after our own but I cannot believe that this would happen in more populated areas containing people from many different cultures. Each culture would naturally look after its own to try and ensure survival. Just think `gangs`

marmiterulesok

Hi.

Can anyone recommend a good book on survival (in a town when TSHTF)/what to stockpile/your favourite survivalist website?

Thanks.The Ebola crisis really has me worried.

moneyistooshorttomention

kittie wrote: »

people were more cowed in the old days and were used to queueing and really had to get on with their neighbours as a lot of life then was down to self help. Today is a nanny state and is full of very diverse peoples, who have never been brought up in the old traditions. I live in a small village and I do believe that we would indeed pull together and look after our own but I cannot believe that this would happen in more populated areas containing people from many different cultures. Each culture would naturally look after its own to try and ensure survival. Just think `gangs`

I've noticed that there are instances in my newly-moved to area where people have been supported because of being "locals", when actually they are in the wrong and shouldn't be. I think most people are fair and won't support a wrongdoer just because they are "one of us"...but there are instances and there was a recent absolute shocker of such an incident that happened and a lot of us (incomers and locals alike) were horrified at support going to the wrong person because of being "one of us".

Butterfly_Brain

Heads up GQ............ Morrisons have FB pies for £1

Another Ebola case in Texas.
A second health care worker who cared for the first victim

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/oct/15/ebola-second-texas-healthcare-worker-tests-positive-as-world-grapples-with-outbreak-live-updates

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marmiterulesok wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a good book on survival (in a town when TSHTF)/what to stockpile/your favourite survivalist website?

The Lofty Wiseman, SAS Urban Survival Handbook is pretty good.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Urban-Survival-Handbook-survival/dp/0002558033

kezlou

To be honest i think the majority will look after themselves first, others second.

Looting and more disgusting crimes happened a lot in WW2 but people don't like to admit it. It was just ignored and life went back to normal.
Also back then people knew they neighbours, nowadays they don't.

I remember one year when a village some people i know lived in got cut off. No one rallied together, it was truly awful. THey had lived in this village since being kids but were still treated like outsiders. Awful way of thinking.

Me, i'm a sap, i try to help everyone.

Frugalsod

marmiterulesok wrote: »

Hi.

Can anyone recommend a good book on survival (in a town when TSHTF)/what to stockpile/your favourite survivalist website?

Thanks.The Ebola crisis really has me worried.

I would look at youtube videos to see what other preppers suggest. Even starting with the basics think about all the things that you use regularly and how you would cope if stuck in your home for several months. Bread might be something that you could opt to make yourself. All you would need would be flour sugar water and yeast. So you could keep the ingredients at home for months and use them as you go along. You would need toilet paper and so a decent supply of the wonder material. Most preps would really entail the things that you use normally and so would not necessarily look out of place in a normal home. If you have concerns about cooking then some form of cooking system, it could be solar kettles or solar ovens but these are of limited use when the weather is overcast like it is now. If you get good long sunny summers then these could be more useful. Camping stoves and camping equipment generally can be useful if you have to abandon your home temporarily during a fire flood or riot. Many fresh items can also be frozen so having a decent supply and range of frozen items will also get you through any such period of SHTF. Though do not rely too heavily on freezers as power cuts will seriously dent your prepping. Dried food that can be rehydrated is a good option as are canned goods. Storing water also adds a layer of security. You never know if and when your water supply might become contaminated.

Also remember to cycle through the items that you have saved so you can at least use everything and replace with new as you go. That way it is not an expense but just a delayed consumption of those items. Then at least this way your preps are not something that are actually an additional cost.