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While it is embarrassing for the hospital concerned, it does highlight problems with the screening process. It is better that they discover this during a false alarm rather than a real outbreak. So longer term this might actually be positive. I would rather this happen a few times so that the procedures are really tightened up so when a real ebola victim walks into A&E they get it right immediately and the outbreak is minimised.
Secondly this is not necessarily the fault of the hospital. This is a newish disease for our hospitals to have to train for. The department of Health really should have had a procedure drawn up by the specialists on what to do and what to look out for. If this has not been done then it is TPTB fault not the hospital or their staff's fault.It's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.0 -
How many of you out there have had to use your stocks recently? and how long do you prep for?
I'm always using my stocks, because I use and replace, as I go along.
I also don't buy bottled water.
Instead, I store tap water in 25L polypropylene containers.I don't have nor want a paraffin stove for cooking.
I wouldn't recommend a paraffin stove.
A butane gas stove is far more convenient.Really what I want to achieve is survival for several days on non cooked stuff.
Cold food and drink is manageable (though not ideal for maintaining appetite) in the spring/summer, but I wouldn't recommend it in winter.
Hot food, and especially hot drinks, are vital to keep your body temperature up.0 -
think I missed it, but have you got a link to the soap shop please..
I have the urge to buy good old fashioned soap lol..Work to live= not live to work0 -
While it is embarrassing for the hospital concerned, it does highlight problems with the screening process.
It's not really the screening process that's at fault here. It's the intake process.It is better that they discover this during a false alarm rather than a real outbreak.
Well naturally. Always better to be shot at with blanks.So longer term this might actually be positive.
Public humiliation often tends to be positive.I would rather this happen a few times so that the procedures are really tightened up
IMHO we don't have "a few times". This is one of the few situations where I'd rather be good than lucky.so when a real ebola victim walks into A&E they get it right immediately and the outbreak is minimised.
Secondly this is not necessarily the fault of the hospital. This is a newish disease for our hospitals to have to train for.
It's an infectious disease. If you do everything you'd do for an infectious disease, you can't go far wrong.The department of Health really should have had a procedure drawn up by the specialists on what to do and what to look out for.
Whoa there. You can't have people in the DoH ivory tower deciding on how hospitals react. They can say "You must ensure X, Y & Z - and we really do suggest A, B & C", but only the hospital itself can decide on how to achieve those things (and some things will simply not be possible in some locations). Command and Control from above simply doesn't work as the central ivory tower doesn't know what resources and restrictions the particular hospital has to work with/around. The hospital will.If this has not been done then it is TPTB fault not the hospital or their staff's fault.
No, it's the hospital's fault. To quote: "Staff failed to follow correct procedures". The hospital should be drilling that procedure into them, with appropriate levels of enforcement. It's not like the DoH can put the various staff down disciplinary procedures if they fail to act in accordance with laid out procedures - but the hospital can. And if the front line staff screw up again, then a number of people could end up dead - including various back-end staff, middle-managers, HR and union reps.
That should focus their minds."Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
"We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
"Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky." OMD 'Julia's Song'0 -
My comment was not about the DoH setting the policy. It would come from a specialist unit like some specialist Tropical disease unit.Whoa there. You can't have people in the DoH ivory tower deciding on how hospitals react. They can say "You must ensure X, Y & Z - and we really do suggest A, B & C", but only the hospital itself can decide on how to achieve those things (and some things will simply not be possible in some locations). Command and Control from above simply doesn't work as the central ivory tower doesn't know what resources and restrictions the particular hospital has to work with/around. The hospital will.
No, it's the hospital's fault. To quote: "Staff failed to follow correct procedures". The hospital should be drilling that procedure into them, with appropriate levels of enforcement. It's not like the DoH can put the various staff down disciplinary procedures if they fail to act in accordance with laid out procedures - but the hospital can. And if the front line staff screw up again, then a number of people could end up dead - including various back-end staff, middle-managers, HR and union reps.
That should focus their minds.
All the DoH would do is to disseminate it. The correct procedures were not taught to those at the front line. Did the hospital know what that policy was? Though you are right that it could be treated like a very infectious virus and it would probably be protected just as effectively. They must have a procedure already for that, and in that case you are right the hospital is at fault.It's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.0 -
Today I have been channelling my Inner Squirrel - listing all my stocks so that I can see where the gaps are, and moving them into better, more accessible (but unexposed) places. In the back of my mind is not only winter coming, but also if there is some sort of Ebola outbreak (or even flu ..) we don't have to venture out for a bit. I do buy things slightly randomly, so it has shown up some interesting gaps: three jars of pickled walnuts, but no back-up washing powder?? Must try harder. Anyway, having discovered a few tins which are past their sell by date, I am devising ways of using them up before restocking in a slightly more logical way. Tonight I drained some pears, put them in a dish, poured over some Basics rice pudding, topped it all with brown sugar mixed with cinnamon. Into the oven for about 15 minutes resulted in quite a nice pud, and two fat and happy squirrels ......0
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Misread that as socks and wondered how many socks you had that they all had to be listed!Today I have been channelling my Inner Squirrel - listing all my stocks so that I can see where the gaps are, and moving them into better, more accessible (but unexposed) places.
:rotfl:Illegitimi non carborundum.0 -
I just saw the breaking news on sky about a flight from Dubai quarantined at Boston air port with 5 passengers showing signs of flu like symptoms and sickness and they are sending medical staff onboard in protective suits.........how scary is that? How can five folks suddenly develop fevers and sickness during a flight.....and if it is ebola how the hell did they get infected or show signs so quickly? Imagine being a normal person on that flight and not knowing what the hell is going on!0
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New thing to add to my preps - leads to jump start the car!!! Wouldn't start at all this morning, Father in law came around and jump started it for me.
My husband and i both drive a lot for work (i'm a social worker, he's a mental health nurse), each have a long drive to get to work, and then go to see clients at home. We have one set between us, handy today as he was still at home and had the leads in his boot. Really should have one pair per car.
Washing machine broke yesterday, fixed it for free (woohoo), car broke today, cost £60 for a brand new battery (garage tested it as was no obvious reason why car wouldn't start, old car, old battery). If things really do come in threes am a bit scared of tomorrow.
Husband found this thread today "omg why are you reading that, are the zombies coming for the end of the world". I explained that thanks to this thread, we both now have a grab bag in the car, which he has used several times over the last few months. I went back to the conversation, iniated by him this morning about us having jump leads per car, just in case. We chatted about needing a plan B, just in case, something happens and we're stuck in the house for a few days (like when we both got swine flu, or I put my back out), we spill lunch, patients blood over us in work and we need a handy change of clothes (grab bag), if salaries department mess up our pay and we are very very short for a few weeks. All have happened before, and I think he saw the sense in this thread then.
Can't completely rule out the unlikely too, ebola, terrorists etc. After all, one of the few things my town is well known for is having the town centre blown up by terrorists when I was about 17.
Apologies for waffling on - am overtired, and its been a long day.:j got married 3rd May 2013 :beer:0 -
New thing to add to my preps - leads to jump start the car!!! Wouldn't start at all this morning, Father in law came around and jump started it for me.
My husband and i both drive a lot for work (i'm a social worker, he's a mental health nurse), each have a long drive to get to work, and then go to see clients at home. We have one set between us, handy today as he was still at home and had the leads in his boot. Really should have one pair per car.
Well don't forget that you could go for something like this:
Bedsit Bob (IIRC) has a few posts where he could run a house off one, but its primary use is that you don't need another car to jumpstart yours.
If you want something a bit smaller (but less capable) there's also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEza3w7tOMk&list=UUmHvGf00GDuPYG9DZqQKd9AHusband found this thread today "omg why are you reading that, are the zombies coming for the end of the world". I explained that thanks to this thread, we both now have a grab bag in the car, which he has used several times over the last few months.
Remember to take an audit, make sure nothing has been used and not replaced.Can't completely rule out the unlikely too, ebola, terrorists etc. After all, one of the few things my town is well known for is having the town centre blown up by terrorists when I was about 17.
Well someone once said that absolutely everything had a probability of 50% - either it'll happen or it won't. :rotfl:"Follow the money!" - Deepthroat (AKA William Mark Felt Sr - Associate Director of the FBI)
"We were born and raised in a summer haze." Adele 'Someone like you.'
"Blowing your mind, 'cause you know what you'll find, when you're looking for things in the sky." OMD 'Julia's Song'0
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